Have your cake, repeated.

motorguy

qwert_yuiop wrote: »

Well, if he gives it all to charity, maybe one for suicidal gay teenagers or something if it exists, fair enough. If he blows ithe whole load on cream cakes and puff pastry at Asher's, it would demonstrate an unattractive and unchristian gluttony, but might win him some friends.

Or use it to help support his gay rights activism website?

qwert_yuiop

motorguy wrote: »

Or use it to help support his gay rights activism website?

Well, sod'im if he does.

saverbuyer

motorguy wrote: »

Ah right, so hes a known gay rights activist and a prominent member of the Queerspace gay rights website, but he just "happened" to ask a known christian run bakery to bake a cake with the slogan "Support Gay Marriage" and the Queerspace logo on it?

So he had an agenda there, but we should give him the benefit of the doubt because he says so in court?

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/bake-a-cake-for-gay-marriage-in-northern-ireland-or-be-dragged-to-court

Bless his little cotton socks.

How unlucky was he that he just happened to ask possibly the only bakery in the entire country that had a religious objection to bake that cake, eh?

But, no, i'm sure you're right. He was just "unlucky" :eek:

I honestly didn't know Ashers was a "Christian bakery" (whatever that is) before this case kicked off. Did you?
I honestly couldn't tell you if he did picked "possibly the only bakery" with religious objections because I'm not aware of any other bakery that holds religious views.


If I want a bun I go into a place and buy a bun. If it's in the general direction I'm travelling, I'll choose there. No reason to believe Lee didn't do the same things. He has obviously stated under oath (possibly affirmation) that he didn't target the bakery. You don't think it's worth giving the benefit of the doubt to someone, who has stated in court, under oath, that he didn't target this bakery, then fine. I prefer to believe people don't go around perjuring themselves over a victorian sponge.


But he's a vocal gay activist who actively supports equal rights for gay people. He's obviously a liar. Those gays don't deserve equality. What with the constant lying and all.

RikM

Isn't the point that they are not (under law) permitted to act upon their prejudices? Hold them, yes sure, believe what you want. Treat people differently as a result? No, that's not permitted (for a business).

saverbuyer

RikM wrote: »

Isn't the point that they are not (under law) permitted to act upon their prejudices? Hold them, yes sure, believe what you want. Treat people differently as a result? No, that's not permitted (for a business).

That's it. It's about providing equal terms of service.

Tansy_1980

saverbuyer wrote: »

I honestly didn't know Ashers was a "Christian bakery" (whatever that is) before this case kicked off. Did you?
I honestly couldn't tell you if he did picked "possibly the only bakery" with religious objections because I'm not aware of any other bakery that holds religious views.

Yup - Ashers is simply the most prominent cake shop in Belfast City Centre and an obvious place to go for cake decorating, particularly if the chap was responding to a leaflet. Which presumably did not state "we are a Christian business". I had no idea at all that the business was owned by Christians and had been in several times before this all kicked off cause it was one of the few places close to my city centre workplace that you can buy reasonably priced cupcakes that also taste nice...

qwert_yuiop

I can think of one foul mouthed uncouth individual at work who's retiring soon. I know he'd appreciate a cake iced with the message "!!!! off you !!!!!!! and don't come back". Do you think I would be able to insist someone provide this, even if they find it objectionable?

joefizz

I am confused by this whole 'Christian' thing.
Its not a 'Christian' thing but a few peoples interpretation of what being a Christian means.
Being born a Christian myself, my view is that Jesus would have baked them the cake, gave it to them for free, invited himself to the party, took the mic for a bit and gave everyone a bit of a speech that probably 10% would remember and 5% would probably follow him on Facebook and Instagram and say what a great lad (or lass) he was and that we should all follow him....

...I wonder how many paramilitary themed cakes they have printed down the years without any objection?

qwert_yuiop

At a rough guess, I'd say none, unless failure to comply was accompanied by a threat to knee caps.

Asher was a baker in the bible by the way, nothing'
to do with brimful from many years ago. Their name is MacArthur.

My objection to the whole nonsense has nothing to do with religion. It's the ability of the system to enforce a conformity of opinion that's disturbing. Supposing a Jew asked an Arab baker in edge ware road, London (lots of them there) to bake a cake in Israeli colours, map of the country, "don't forget to include the West Bank and Jerusalem now", would he not be within his rights to tell him to !!!! off? We can all think of a hundred similar scenarios where the same outcome would seem perfectly acceptable.
It's all a bit alarming that the system intrudes on your liberty to this extent, and is prepared to waste this much time and money to enforce it. It leads to disrespect of the state.

joefizz

'Supposing a Jew asked an Arab baker in edge ware road, London (lots of them there) to bake a cake in Israeli colours, map of the country, "don't forget to include the West Bank and Jerusalem now", would he not be within his rights to tell him to !!!! off?'

You can refuse anyones business without giving a reason at all.

One of the tenets of this case was that the order was originally accepted and paid for so creating a contract and was only rejected a couple of days later.
Thats a big difference in this case and under law. The contract was created and the contract was then rejected on the grounds of the message. They could have refused to accept on point of order for any number of legal reasons but they didnt.
They took the order, took the money then rejected it a couple of days later.