Benefit fraud

Smartsaver7

robotrobo wrote: »

its easy to find out if you are driving around in a disabled entitled car, just enter the reg number in the dvla web site.
Pain or discomfort does not or should not entitle you to have a mobility car, theres thousands or millons got pain & discomfort.
In my community ,i see the bb holders find b/badge spaces & then walk miles to their destinations or shops.
If you are geniune , then you wont mind it being shown in the town hall for everyone to see, it will filter out the fiddlers.
Where i live very close to the golf club, the disabled are not to disabled to go & play a round of golf, but when you see them in town they seem to be struggling, its probably the pain & discomfort your talking about.

So you spend your days following Blue Badge holders for miles to check if genuine ..:rotfl::rotfl:
Why should the disabled be humiliated or have their disabilities published on notice boards , how would you like it ???
The Blue Badge scheme has been tightened up in the last couple of years , many are now finding they cannot get them renewed , even if they walk with mobility aids so those you described will become less and less, some councils will only issue if in receipt of some form of DLA/Mobility allowance.
There does need to be a crackdown on people who obtain them as disabled non drivers and give them to friends and relatives to use.

dktreesea

Smartsaver7 wrote: »

So you spend your days following Blue Badge holders for miles to check if genuine ..:rotfl::rotfl:
Why should the disabled be humiliated or have their disabilities published on notice boards , how would you like it ???
The Blue Badge scheme has been tightened up in the last couple of years , many are now finding they cannot get them renewed , even if they walk with mobility aids so those you described will become less and less, some councils will only issue if in receipt of some form of DLA/Mobility allowance.
There does need to be a crackdown on people who obtain them as disabled non drivers and give them to friends and relatives to use.

This seems to be our council's stance, which is frustrating for those who need a blue badge but don't need the financial assistance PiP/DLA give. Our council took the view if you weren't eligible for PiP you couldn't have a blue badge. The fact that there were those who were disabled but well off enough not to want financial assistance from the taxpayer was ignored. They've since been successfully challenged on this point.

dktreesea

Mersey wrote: »

I have sympathy for a lot of what you said, but not your final sentence.


The Right to Buy resulted in the largest ever transfer of wealth from the State to the working classes.


Indeed there are inter war outer council estates where 50% are now owner occupied in Liverpool, meaning that these residents now have assets which they would never had had if they had otherwise kept paying rent to the local authority (who often wasted their revenue).


Yes, there's a lack of the right housing mix today, such as bungalows and 1 beds, but that does not mean the whole policy should never have happened. Indeed there's also still 9,000 void properties in the same local authority which could be brought back into use before building ever more housing on our green spaces.


Incidentally, claimants in the private sector had their LHA/benefit rates reduced and capped years before the public sector housing benefit recipients' were.

The poorest people in council housing didn't benefit from right to buy, only those who were in work and earned enough to be able to save the deposit and raise the mortgage to buy their homes. I for one am glad there is no longer any right to buy in Scotland. And I look forward to the day when people who earn enough to buy their own homes or rent in the private sector are turfed out of their council homes. Council housing was never intended for people who are able to support themselves without recourse to public funds.


As to couples with grown up children being able to continue to occupy their family home just because they have always lived there, they should be moved into one bedroom flats so that family homes can be freed up for whom they were intended. The bedroom tax would then not be necessary and is only there because local authorities, particularly down in England, aren't able to increase their stock of council housing.

micky2phones

Hi, many years ago a friend of mine, his father passed away. This now left him in a 3 bed council house.

He found a 1 bed flat, ask the council, if he could rent this and 100 pound help to move. The council said no.

Not sure after many years what happen as lost touch but i do know he lived in the house for three years before we lost touch.

dktreesea

missbiggles1 wrote: »

Depending on the 1 bed, I think lots of people would be happier to pay an extra £27pw not to live in a high rise council flat!

The problem with privately rented properties isn't just the price; it's security of tenure. It's expensive to have to move if the rent goes up to something you can no longer afford or if the landlord wants the property back. The people two flats below us were telling me the other day they are on their fourth move in six years. The first landlords decided to come back from overseas early. They were on a four year posting but only stayed for two years. The next one decided he wanted to sell up so they moved out. Instead the landlord renovated the flat and rented it out again at a much higher price. The third flat they decided to move because it turned out to be quite damp and hard to heat. Fourth time lucky? It's not like they were moving from furnished place to furnished place with a couple of suitcases of stuff. Each time they had to hire a removals truck.

Lanzarote1938

dktreesea wrote: »

Council housing was never intended for people who are able to support themselves without recourse to public funds.

I have to take issue with this comment. Once upon a time there were no public funds to have recourse to! Council housing was meant for workers.

Do you think that nowadays only state funded applicants are allocated social housing?

sangie595

dktreesea wrote: »

This seems to be our council's stance, which is frustrating for those who need a blue badge but don't need the financial assistance PiP/DLA give. Our council took the view if you weren't eligible for PiP you couldn't have a blue badge. The fact that there were those who were disabled but well off enough not to want financial assistance from the taxpayer was ignored. They've since been successfully challenged on this point.

My local authority attempted the same thing - not officially stating this but applying it in practice. I could claim PIP but choose not to because I earn enough to not need any benefit. It took a fight to get the one FREE benefit I needed. It would have been easier to claim PIP!

sangie595

wellynever wrote: »

I've noticed the young now call the OAP's the meme's as they want everything yet don't want the younger generation to have the same, the tide will turn and about time too.

I'm not an OAP yet, but I am getting there. And if this is true I suggest "the young" get a reality check. Those of our generations had to do this thing called work for absolutely everything we got. There were no benefits to speak of. There weren't tax credits - if you didn't earn enough then tough, get a better job or live within your means. Many of "the young" (and by no means all of them) these days think everything should be handed to them on a silver platter. They should spring straight into well paid jobs, be able to buy houses, have cars, go on holiday, and party as much as they want. And all with minimal effort on their part.

The few post-war benefits that there were - the foundation of our current welfare state - were fought for, in many cases literally, by a generation who had seen dreadful war time deprivations. And the employment rights they happily toss away or whinge that "someone should do something about this" were also fought for by generations of workers, many of whom worked in the most appalling conditions.

"The young" are entitled spoilt brats who think that they should have to make no effort for themselves. Rights should just be given to them. Nobody has ever had rights given to them, and the reason they are being taken away is because "the young" are too selfish to fight for the things our generations fought for. If this bunch of young people had to live in the conditions that many of us had to grow up in for just one month, they'd be singing a different tune about how hard life is.

missbiggles1

dktreesea wrote: »

The poorest people in council housing didn't benefit from right to buy, only those who were in work and earned enough to be able to save the deposit and raise the mortgage to buy their homes. I for one am glad there is no longer any right to buy in Scotland. And I look forward to the day when people who earn enough to buy their own homes or rent in the private sector are turfed out of their council homes. Council housing was never intended for people who are able to support themselves without recourse to public funds.


As to couples with grown up children being able to continue to occupy their family home just because they have always lived there, they should be moved into one bedroom flats so that family homes can be freed up for whom they were intended. The bedroom tax would then not be necessary and is only there because local authorities, particularly down in England, aren't able to increase their stock of council housing.

Unless the history of social housing was very different in Scotland, you're totally wrong on that.

Council housing was always intended to be used by workerswho paid their own way - in fact that was often the basis on which it was allocated. Rewarding those who don't work by allocating them a property with a low rent and secure tenancy is a comparatively recent development and not an improvement, in my book.

robotrobo

Smartsaver7 wrote: »

So you spend your days following Blue Badge holders for miles to check if genuine ..:rotfl::rotfl:
Why should the disabled be humiliated or have their disabilities published on notice boards , how would you like it ???
The Blue Badge scheme has been tightened up in the last couple of years , many are now finding they cannot get them renewed , even if they walk with mobility aids so those you described will become less and less, some councils will only issue if in receipt of some form of DLA/Mobility allowance.
There does need to be a crackdown on people who obtain them as disabled non drivers and give them to friends and relatives to use.

I dont need to follow anyone , this morning while out at the swimming baths, they park there cars in the b\badge parking spaces & then take their dogs on long walks, ive better things to do than follow anybody, & as far as haveing there details in view at the town hall !, the genuine people wouldnt have to worry who saw it, its not the genuine people thats the cheats of the system, your not supposedly be able to walk more than 30 mtrs or less, especially if you are on the higher rate of the mobility scheme, but believe me they do, a few have been caught and dealt with in our town , there needs to be a lot more investigators following these people , & make them aware that someone will eventually catch up with them.