Benefit fraud

OldMotherTucker

ev8 wrote: »

I do sometimes wonder that.

Sometimes I see people online, going here and there all the time with no problems, holidays, activities out, constantly doing things with others and then they are in the support group. I don't really understand at times.

I know I couldn't hold down a job and can barely go out and if I do I'm very ill afterwards. There are an awful lot of people similar to me or worse.

But I do think there are quite a few people who want whatever they can get. I've seen it on other forums too, sometimes you just can know if things do not sound quite right.

ETA, that's not to say that anyone going out is capable of working, I know better then that, I do try to go out some times, but there are some whose blogging/posting about what they are doing on a regular occurrence but then say they cannot work.
I hope that makes sense, I'm very, very tired from my assessment yesterday, don't know if my point has come across correctly.

The flip side of this is that there are thousands of people who are undermining their health by working when they shouldn't. It's ends up costing the country more in the long run but that's not acceptable for the general population.
On the plus side though, we're the sort of people who probably won't make it to retirement and won't be around draining the state coffers til we're 80/90.

before you start feeling too sorry for yourself, just remember all those who have no choice but to force themselves to conform to this sadistic notion that if you can walk 20 meters, you can walk all day; If you go out and enjoy yourself, you can work all day; if you look well you must be well . .

Even if you had the slightest of actual medical training, you still will not be qualified to comment on a person's health limitations or the content of their FB page! I don't post boring !!!! to my friends about how crap my life is with Lupus - they know!

Let me ask how many people on here suffered for a long time BEFORE they got any recognised help and support And, more importantly, since getting help, how many of us have been able to manage our conditions better?

I find it surprising that you believe those in receipt of disability benefits or exempt from working should be not be allowed to have a life!! Maybe we should stay indoors, kept out of public view so we don't upset the taxpayers!

And on the subject of tax payers . . do you have an opinion on all those who defraud the public purse by neglecting to declare income or do you reserve your cynicism just for the sick?

With your 'special' gift of knowing when something is not right, why don't you think of working for HMRC :rotfl::rotfl:

Concerned75

Did you read any of the posts? They forgot to report "it" TWICE - two separate jobs. And forgot all the letters they had. And the extra money in the bank. And they spent the money and have almost nothing left. And deliberately lied in the investigation meeting. Mental health issues does not explain any of that, and it's an insult to people with mental health problems to suggest that it does. Having mental health problems does not make a liar or a thief out of people. That's a decision, not a condition.

Originally posted by Sangie595

I was referring to the first page. The OP, didn't say anything about the money being spent or he forgot more than once. If he is guilty of what you say, by his own admission, then he will suffer some form of consequences.
As for mental health, there's a lot of it used in the news today, to excuse people's actions. I was just highlighting that fact.

ev8

OldMotherTucker wrote: »

The flip side of this is that there are thousands of people who are undermining their health by working when they shouldn't. It's ends up costing the country more in the long run but that's not acceptable for the general population.
On the plus side though, we're the sort of people who probably won't make it to retirement and won't be around draining the state coffers til we're 80/90.

before you start feeling too sorry for yourself, just remember all those who have no choice but to force themselves to conform to this sadistic notion that if you can walk 20 meters, you can walk all day; If you go out and enjoy yourself, you can work all day; if you look well you must be well . .

Even if you had the slightest of actual medical training, you still will not be qualified to comment on a person's health limitations or the content of their FB page! I don't post boring !!!! to my friends about how crap my life is with Lupus - they know!

Let me ask how many people on here suffered for a long time BEFORE they got any recognised help and support And, more importantly, since getting help, how many of us have been able to manage our conditions better?

I find it surprising that you believe those in receipt of disability benefits or exempt from working should be not be allowed to have a life!! Maybe we should stay indoors, kept out of public view so we don't upset the taxpayers!

And on the subject of tax payers . . do you have an opinion on all those who defraud the public purse by neglecting to declare income or do you reserve your cynicism just for the sick?

With your 'special' gift of knowing when something is not right, why don't you think of working for HMRC :rotfl::rotfl:

As I said, it came off wrong and I know it did and would, I am very exhausted, so shouldn't even be posting.

I know it came off wrong and I am the first to say people going out on benefits means nothing when people moan about blue badge use.

I am just saying, in a few small cases, there have been a few instances that do not make any sense or add up and it's not on facebook. I can't really go into it today.

I know it came off completely wrong and against what I believe myself, I am just saying you do sometimes see things that are very contradictory, as in this thread even.

But maybe my conclusions are wrong, perhaps yours are too. Although I am very ill with many things, awful pain conditions and a lot of other issues. It's not something that will end my life and structurally my heart is perfect, my lungs are great and my organs all work very well and I never smoke or drink and eat a good diet, so it seems I will make my pension years, unless I end my own life, or get hit by a bus, but then that's the same for everyone.

Also, I always condemn those who do not pay tax and believe that's where the focus should be, everyone defrauding the DWP will not add up to one rich person's missed tax.

Again, I know I didn't put it right, I am really exhausted and it's only a small thought, I KNOW people can and do do things while they are ill and push through it and suffer for it. I am talking about very specific things.

Anyway, I am off to erst now, know I didn't mean it how it came across. Have a good day.

OldMotherTucker

ev8 wrote: »

As I said, it came off wrong and I know it did and would, I am very exhausted, so shouldn't even be posting.

I know it came off wrong and I am the first to say people going out on benefits means nothing when people moan about blue badge use.

I am just saying, in a few small cases, there have been a few instances that do not make any sense or add up and it's not on facebook. I can't really go into it today.

I know it came off completely wrong and against what I believe myself, I am just saying you do sometimes see things that are very contradictory, as in this thread even.

But maybe my conclusions are wrong, perhaps yours are too. Although I am very ill with many things, awful pain conditions and a lot of other issues. It's not something that will end my life and structurally my heart is perfect, my lungs are great and my organs all work very well and I never smoke or drink and eat a good diet, so it seems I will make my pension years, unless I end my own life, or get hit by a bus, but then that's the same for everyone.

Also, I always condemn those who do not pay tax and believe that's where the focus should be, everyone defrauding the DWP will not add up to one rich person's missed tax.

Again, I know I didn't put it right, I am really exhausted and it's only a small thought, I KNOW people can and do do things while they are ill and push through it and suffer for it. I am talking about very specific things.

Anyway, I am off to erst now, know I didn't mean it how it came across. Have a good day.

Hey - it's only the internet! You have proved a vital point though that sometimes, due to fatigue and pain it's hard to express yourself. But I could be very harsh and retort that you manage to express yourself okay at other times . . . . Do you see the double standard and how, ultimately, I not qualified to comment.:p

sangie595

Concerned75 wrote: »

Originally posted by Sangie595

I was referring to the first page. The OP, didn't say anything about the money being spent or he forgot more than once. If he is guilty of what you say, by his own admission, then he will suffer some form of consequences.
As for mental health, there's a lot of it used in the news today, to excuse people's actions. I was just highlighting that fact.

11 pages to the thread and you only read the first before responding? Hence how you missed the fact that the OP admitted that the first version was a lie! Mental ill health may explain an action, but it should never be used as an excuse. Which is what the OP here was doing - trying to claim that it was a one off accident because their mental health was to blame (until they were forced to admit that there had been another one off accident). I'm not aware of any mental health problem that causes you to forget you claim benefit for being out of work, forget you are working, be unable to read the letters telling you that you are to report any change in circumstances, never read bank statements, but still manage to spend every penny you have in the bank! And, of course, to work full-time. Over a lengthy period of time.

People with mental illness have a particular struggle claiming benefits because their condition isn't visible, and, frankly, it's easy to fake. People like the OP are the ones who make those doubts grow. Everyone else suffers for their dishonesty.

nannytone_2

Kim_kim wrote: »

This thread does demonstrate that tax/NI & benefits need to be joined up.

So if you are working the benefits office can see that at a glance.

Benefits should be checking against tax/NI contribution so people cannot claim out of work benefits while working.

as this thread demonstrates ....
eventually they do all come together!

catz1ct

Kim_kim wrote: »

This thread does demonstrate that tax/NI & benefits need to be joined up.

So if you are working the benefits office can see that at a glance.

Benefits should be checking against tax/NI contribution so people cannot claim out of work benefits while working.

They are just starting to do this now. Eventually they want to be able to update peoples benefits month by month using the information provided by the employer for tax purposes.

blobby8

If there is any" truth" in this story, the OP should prepare themselves for making new "friends".

Soulful

I've still not heard anything I'm still worried sick I'm going to lose everything including my job, can't cope with the thought of being locked up for years.

Hating myself is a under statement

dktreesea

It is what it is. There's no point assuming the worst possible outcome. They're interviewing you under caution probably because you didn't tell them about your change in circumstances, i.e. returning to full time work, meaning you wouldn't be entitled to ESA, even under permitted work rules. Just tell them you thought HMRC and the DWP were all integrated and it would automatically get adjusted, and when it didn't you assumed you were still entitled to it.


They'll probably just enter into an arrangement with you to pay back the whole of the overpayment.