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Claim Form from County Court and No LBA from Gladstones

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  • fellsider
    fellsider Posts: 46 Forumite
    edited 2 November 2016 at 11:46PM
    Thank you for reminding me about IamEmanresu's great post. I can now see it's relevance I wasn't sure what exactly it meant at the time.
    I have added the bit about the LBCC he suggested but think I may have done it a little clumsily. I'm not exactly sure how it all fits together now I'm afraid..

    Preliminary matters.

    1. The claimant failed to include a copy of their written contract as per Practice Direction 16 7.3(1) and Practice Direction 7C 1.4(3A). No indication is given as to the Claimants contractual authority to operate there as required by the Claimants Trade Association's Code of Practice B1.1 which says

    1.1 If you operate parking management activities on land which is not owned by you, you must supply us with written authority from the land owner sufficient to establish you as the ‘Creditor’ within the meaning of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (where applicable) and in any event to establish you as a person who is able to recover parking charges. There is no prescribed form for such agreement and it need not necessarily be as part of a contract but it must include the express ability for an operator to recover parking charges on the landowner’s behalf or provide sufficient right to occupy the land in question so that charges can be recovered by the operator directly. This applies whether or not you intend to use the keeper liability provisions.

    2. The particulars of claim do not meet the requirements of Practice Direction 16 7.5 as there is nothing which specifies how the terms were breached. Indeed the particulars of claim are not clear and concise as is required by CPR 16.4 1(a). The Claimant are known to be a serial issuer of generic claims similar to this one. HM Courts Service have identified over 1000 similar sparse claims. I believe the term for such behaviour is roboclaims and as such is against the public interest.

    Practice Direction 3A which references Civil Procedure Rule 3.4 illustrates this point:!

    1.4 The following are examples of cases where the court may conclude that particulars of claim (whether contained in a claim form or filed separately) fall within rule 3.4(2)(a):
    (1) those which set out no facts indicating what the claim is about, for example ‘Money owed £5000’,
    (2) those which are incoherent and make no sense,
    (3) those which contain a coherent set of facts but those facts, even if true, do not disclose any legally recognisable claim against the defendant
    3. The Claimant has not complied with the pre-court protocol.
    (1) No Letter of Claim was sent to the Defendant and no initial information was sent to the Defendant.
    (2) I'd refer the court to Para 4 on non-compliance and sanction, and I'd also point out that there can be no
    reasonable excuse for the Claimant's failure to follow the Pre-action Conduct process, especially
    bearing in mind that the Claim was issued by their own Solicitors so they clearly had legal advice before
    issuing proceedings.

    On the basis of the above, we request the court strike out the claim for want of a cause of action.



    Statement of Defence

    I am XXXXX, defendant in this matter and deny liability for the entirety of the claim for the following
    reasons:

    (1).
    It is admitted that the Defendant was the authorised registered keeper of the vehicle in question at the
    time of the alleged incident.

    (2).
    The identity of the driver of the vehicle on the date in question has not been ascertained.
    a) The Claimant did not identify the driver
    b) The Defendant has no liability, as they are the Keeper of the vehicle and the Claimant must rely upon the
    strict provisions of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 in order to hold the defendant responsible for
    the driver’s alleged breach.
    c) The Claimant's increasingly demanding letters failed to evidence any contravention or clear/prominent
    signage. Further, the Notice to Keeper (postal 'PCN') failed to give the statutory warning to the registered
    keeper about the '28 day period' which is mandatory wording as prescribed in paragraph 9(2)(f) of
    Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012. Consequently, the Claimant is unable to rely on the
    'keeper liability' provisions of the POFA.

    (3)
    The claimant has not provided enough details in the particulars of claim to file a full defence.
    In particular, the full details of the contract which it is alleged was broken have not been provided.

    a) The Claimant has disclosed no cause of action to give rise to any debt.
    b) The Claimant has stated that a parking charge was incurred.
    c) The Claimant has given no indication of the nature of the alleged charge in the Particulars of Claim.
    The Claimant has therefore disclosed no cause of action.
    d) The Particulars of Claim contains no details and fails to establish a cause of action which would enable
    the Defendant to prepare a specific defence.
    It just states “parking charges” which does not give any indication of on what basis the claim is brought.
    There is no information regarding why the charge arose, what the original charge was, what the alleged
    contract was nor anything which could be considered a fair exchange of information.
    The Particulars of Claim are incompetent in disclosing no cause of action.

    e) On the 20th September 2016 another relevant poorly pleaded private parking charge claim by
    Gladstones was struck out by District Judge Cross of St Albans County Court without a hearing
    due to their ‘roboclaim’ particulars being incoherent, failing to comply with CPR. 16.4 and
    ‘providing no facts that could give rise to any apparent claim in law’
    f) On the 19th Audust 2016 DJ Anson sitting at Preston County Court ruled that the very similar
    parking charge particulars of claim were deficient and failing to meet CPR 16.4 and PD 16
    paragraphs 7.3 - 7.5. He ordered the Claimant in that case to file new particulars which they failed
    to do, and the court confirmed the claim will now be struck out.

    (4)
    The Claimant has not complied with the pre-court protocol.
    a) No Letter of Claim was sent to the Defendant and no initial information was sent to the Defendant.
    b) I'd refer the court to Para 4 on non-compliance and sanction, and I'd also point out that there can be no
    reasonable excuse for the Claimant's failure to follow the Pre-action Conduct process, especially
    bearing in mind that the Claim was issued by their own Solicitors so they clearly had legal advice before
    issuing proceedings.

    (5)
    The defendant wrote to the claimant on xxxxx asking for:
    i) Full particulars of the parking charges
    ii) Who the party was that contracted with ES Parking.
    Iii) The full legal identity of the landowner
    iv) A full copy of the contract with the landholder that demonstrated that ES Parking had their authority.
    v) If the charges were based on damages for breach of contract and if so to provide justification of
    this sum
    vi) If the charge was based on a contractually agreed sum for the provision of parking and If so to
    provide a valid VAT invoice for this 'service'.
    vii) To provide a copy of the signs that ES Parking can evidence were on site and which contended
    formed a contract with the driver on that occasion, as well as all photographs taken of the
    vehicle in question.

    The claimant has not responded.
    Withholding any relevant photos of the car, particularly the windscreen and dashboard, and the signage
    terms, despite being asked for by the Defendant at the outset, is against the SRA code as well as
    contrary to the ‘overiding objective’ in the pre action protocol.
    As Gladsones are a firm of solicitors whose Directors also run the IPC Trade Body and deal with private
    parking issues every single day of the week there can be no excuse for these omissions.

    The Defendant asks that the court orders Further and Better Particulars of Claim and asks
    leave to amend the Defence.

    (6).
    ES Parking Enforcements are not the lawful occupier of the land. I have the reasonable belief that they
    do not have the authority to issue charges on this land in their own name and that they have no rights to
    bring this case.
    a) The Claimant is not the landowner and is merely an agent acting on behalf of the landowner and has
    failed to demonstrate their legal standing to form a contract.
    b) The claimant is not the landowner and suffers no loss whatsoever as a result of a vehicle parking at the
    location in question
    c) The Claimant is put to proof that it has sufficient interest in the land or that there are specific terms in its
    contract to bring an action on its own behalf. As a third party agent, the Claimant may not pursue any
    charge. I have the reasonable belief that they do not have the authority to issue charges on this land in
    their own name and that they have no right to bring action regarding this claim.

    (7)
    a) The Claimant has at no time provided an explanation how the sum has been calculated, the conduct
    that gave rise to it or how the amount has climbed from £100 to £150. This appears to be an added cost
    with no apparently no qualification and an attempt at double recovery, which the POFA Schedule 4
    specifically disallows.
    b) The Protection of Freedom Act Para 4(5) states that the maximum sum that may be recovered from the
    keeper is the charge stated on the Notice to Keeper.

    (8)
    The signage was inadequate to form a contract with the motorist
    a) The signage on this site is inadequate to form a contract. It is barely legible, making it difficult to read.
    b) The sign fails because it must state what the ANPR data will be used for. This is an ICO breach and
    contrary to the Code of Practice.
    c) The sign does not contain an obligation as to how to ‘validly display’ the ticket in the windscreen,
    therefore there was no breach of any ‘relevant obligation’ or ‘relevant contract’ as required under
    Schedule 4 of POFA.
    d) In the absence of ‘adequate notice’ of the terms and the charge (which must be in large prominent
    letters such as the brief, clear and multiple signs in the Beavis case) this fails to meet the requirements
    of Schedule 4 of the POFA.

    (9)
    The driver did not enter into any 'agreement on the charge', no consideration flowed between the
    parties and no contract was established.

    (a) The Defendant denies that the driver would have agreed to pay the original demand of £100 to agree to
    the alleged contract had the terms and conditions of the contract been properly displayed and
    accessible.

    (10)
    (a) The Claimant has sent threatening and misleading demands which stated that further debt recovery
    action would be taken to recover what is owed by passing the debt to a ‘local’ recovery agent (which
    suggested to the Defendant they would be calling round like bailiffs) adding further unexplained
    charges of £25 to the original £100 with no evidence of how this extra charge has been calculated.
    No figure for additional charges was 'agreed' nor could it have formed part of the alleged
    'contract' because no such indemnity costs were quantified on the signs.
    Terms cannot be bolted on later with figures plucked out of thin air, as if they were
    incorporated into the small print when they were not.
    b) The Defendant also disputes that the Claimant has incurred £50 solicitor costs.
    c) The Defendant has the reasonable belief that the Claimant has not incurred £50 costs to pursue an
    alleged £100 debt.
    d) Not withstanding the Defendant's belief, the costs are in any case not recoverable.
    e) he Claimant described the charge of £50.00 "legal fees" not "contractual costs".
    CPR 27.14 does not permit these to be recovered in the Small Claims Court.

    11). The Defendant would like to point out that this car park can be fully distinguished from the details,
    facts, and location in the Beavis case. This site does not offer a free parking licence, nor is there
    any comparable 'legitimate interest' nor complex contractual arrangement to disengage the penalty
    rule, as ParkingEye did in the unique case heard by the Supreme Court in 2015. Whilst the Claimant
    withheld any photos of the signs on site, the Defendant contends these are illegible with terms hidden
    in small print, unlike the 'clear and prominent' signs which created a contract Mr Beavis was 'bound to
    have seen'.


    The defendant therefore asks that the court orders the case to be struck out for want of a detailed
    course of action and/or for the claim as having no prospect of success.


    I believe the facts stated in this defence are true.


    (Name) (Signature) (Date)!
  • Coupon-mad
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    Nice one but I would now remove the request for a strike out from the END, as it's there at the top in IamEmanresu's words! You just don't want the Judge to feel you are telling him/her what to do, hence never push with the strike-out request twice. Judges are canny enough to spot it and realise for themselves anyway with woeful PoC like this!

    Anyway, that's a strong defence now IMHO.

    It is probably too long to fit online via MCOL, so either email it or post it (set out properly, with double line-spacing and headers, dated and signed by you) like bargepole advises in post #35 here:

    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/71219800#Comment_71219800

    and he mentions it here too in his post about what to do when:

    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5546325

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  • Wow! Thank you Coupon-mad, IamEmanresu and everyone else.
    Your patience and fortitude is enviable!
    One last thing as I realise how busy you are helping many more... my initial defence is due on the 18th Nov. I'm not one for leaving things to the last minute but when would be the best time to send this?
    Kind Regards to all!
  • Coupon-mad
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    If you are posting it as bargepole recommends, I would do so 1st class by next week at the latest keeping a free certificate of posting. That's deemed delivered two working days later.
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  • I would really appreciate it if you could give this a quick look through before I send it off.
    It's set out 1.5 spacing 12pt.
    I don't want to have overlooked anything and hope I've managed to get everything in that I have been helped with.
    Regards and thanks again.

    In the County Court
    Claim Number:
    Between
    xxxx (Claimant)
    and
    xxxx (Defendant)


    Defence Statement


    Preliminary Matters.

    (1). The claimant failed to include a copy of their written contract as per Practice Direction
    16 7.3(1) and Practice Direction 7C 1.4(3A). No indication is given as to the
    Claimants contractual authority to operate there as required by the Claimants Trade
    Association's Code of Practice B1.1 which says
    1.1 If you operate parking management activities on land which is not owned by you, you
    must supply us with written authority from the land owner sufficient to establish you
    as the ‘Creditor’ within the meaning of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (where
    applicable) and in any event to establish you as a person who is able to recover
    parking charges. There is no prescribed form for such agreement and it need not
    necessarily be as part of a contract but it must include the express ability for an
    operator to recover parking charges on the landowner’s behalf or provide sufficient
    right to occupy the land in question so that charges can be recovered by the operator
    directly. This applies whether or not you intend to use the keeper liability provisions.

    (2). The particulars of claim do not meet the requirements of Practice Direction 16 7.5 as
    there is nothing which specifies how the terms were breached. Indeed the particulars
    of claim are not clear and concise as is required by CPR 16.4 1(a). The Claimants are
    known to be serial issuers of generic claims similar to this one. HM Courts Service
    have identified over 1000 similar sparse claims. I believe the term for such behaviour
    is roboclaims and as such is against the public interest.


    Practice Direction 3A which references Civil Procedure Rule 3.4 illustrates this point:!

    1.4 The following are examples of cases where the court may conclude that particulars of
    claim (whether contained in a claim form or filed separately) fall within rule 3.4(2)(a):
    1. those which set out no facts indicating what the claim is about, for example ‘Money
    owed £5000’,
    2. those which are incoherent and make no sense,
    3. those which contain a coherent set of facts but those facts, even if true, do not
    disclose any legally recognisable claim against the defendant

    (3). The Claimant has not complied with the pre-court protocol.
    1. No Letter of Claim was sent to the Defendant and no initial information was sent to
    the Defendant.
    2. I'd refer the court to Para 4 on non-compliance and sanction, and I'd also point out
    that there can be no reasonable excuse for the Claimant's failure to follow the
    Pre-action Conduct process, especially bearing in mind that the Claim was issued by
    their own Solicitors so they clearly had legal advice before issuing proceedings.

    On the basis of the above, we request the court strike out the claim for want of a
    cause of action.

    Statement of Defence

    I am XXXXX, defendant in this matter. It is admitted that the Defendant was the
    authorised registered keeper of the vehicle in question at the time of the alleged
    incident.
    The Defendant denies liability for the entirety of the claim for the following reasons.

    (1). The identity of the driver of the vehicle on the date in question has not been
    ascertained.
    1. The Claimant did not identify the driver
    2. The Defendant has no liability, as they are the Keeper of the vehicle and the Claimant
    must rely upon the strict provisions of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 in order to
    hold the defendant responsible for the driver’s alleged breach.
    3. The Claimant's increasingly demanding letters failed to evidence any contravention or
    clear/prominent signage. Further, the Notice to Keeper (postal 'PCN') failed to give
    the statutory warning to the registered keeper about the '28 day period' which is
    mandatory wording as prescribed in paragraph 9(2)(f) of Schedule 4 of the Protection
    of Freedoms Act 2012. Consequently, the Claimant is unable to rely on the 'keeper
    liability' provisions of the POFA.

    (3) The claimant has not provided enough details in the particulars of claim to file a full
    defence. In particular, the full details of the contract which it is alleged was broken
    have not been provided.
    1. The Claimant has disclosed no cause of action to give rise to any debt.
    2. The Claimant has stated that a parking charge was incurred.
    3. The Claimant has given no indication of the nature of the alleged charge in the
    Particulars of Claim.
    The Claimant has therefore disclosed no cause of action.
    4. The Particulars of Claim contains no details and fails to establish a cause of action
    which would enable the Defendant to prepare a specific defence.
    It just states “parking charges” which does not give any indication of on what basis
    the claim is brought.
    There is no information regarding why the charge arose, what the original charge
    was, what the alleged contract was nor anything which could be considered a fair
    exchange of information.
    The Particulars of Claim are incompetent in disclosing no cause of action.
    5. On the 20th September 2016 another relevant poorly pleaded private parking
    charge claim by Gladstones was struck out by District Judge Cross of St
    Albans County Court without a hearing due to their ‘roboclaim’ particulars being
    incoherent, failing to comply with CPR. 16.4 and ‘providing no facts that could
    give rise to any apparent claim in law.’
    f) On the 27thJuly 2016 DJ Anson sitting at Preston County Court ruled that the very
    similar parking charge particulars of claim were eficient and failing to meet CPR 16.4
    and PD 16 paragraphs 7.3 – 7.6. He ordered the Claimant in that case to file new
    particulars which they failed to do and so the court confirmed that the claim be
    struck out.


    (4) The Claimant has not complied with the pre-court protocol.
    1. No Letter of Claim was sent to the Defendant and no initial information was sent to
    the Defendant.
    2. I'd refer the court to Para 4 on non-compliance and sanction, and I'd also point out
    that there can be no reasonable excuse for the Claimant's failure to follow the Pre-
    action Conduct process, especially bearing in mind that the Claim was issued by their
    own Solicitors so they clearly had legal advice before issuing proceedings.

    (5) The defendant wrote to the claimant on xxxxx asking for:
    a) Full particulars of the parking charges
    b) Who the party was that contracted with ES Parking.
    c) The full legal identity of the landowner
    d) A full copy of the contract with the landholder that demonstrated that ES Parking had
    their authority.
    e) If the charges were based on damages for breach of contract and if so to provide
    justification of this sum
    f) If the charge was based on a contractually agreed sum for the provision of parking
    and If so to provide a valid VAT invoice for this 'service'.
    g) To provide a copy of the signs that ES Parking can evidence were on site and which
    contended formed a contract with the driver on that occasion, as well as all
    photographs taken of the vehicle in question.

    The claimant has not responded.

    (6) Withholding any relevant photos of the car, particularly the windscreen and
    dashboard, and the signage terms, despite being asked for by the Defendant at the
    outset, is against the SRA code as well as contrary to the ‘overiding objective’ in the
    pre action protocol.
    As Gladstones are a firm of solicitors whose Directors also run the IPC Trade Body
    and deal with private parking issues every single day of the week there can be no
    excuse for these omissions.

    The Defendant asks that the court orders Further and Better Particulars of Claim and
    asks leave to amend the Defence.


    (7). ES Parking Enforcements are not the lawful occupier of the land. I have the
    reasonable belief that they do not have the authority to issue charges on this land in
    their own name and that they have no rights to bring action regarding this claim.
    1. The Claimant is not the landowner and is merely an agent acting on behalf of the
    landowner and has failed to demonstrate their legal standing to form a contract.
    2. The claimant is not the landowner and suffers no loss whatsoever as a result of a
    vehicle parking at the location in question
    3. The Claimant is put to proof that it has sufficient interest in the land or that there are
    specific terms in its contract to bring an action on its own behalf. As a third party
    agent, the Claimant may not pursue any charge

    (8)
    1. The Claimant has at no time provided an explanation how the sum has been
    calculated, the conduct that gave rise to it or how the amount has climbed from £100
    to £150. This appears to be an added cost with apparently no qualification and an
    attempt at double recovery, which the POFA Schedule 4 specifically disallows.
    2. The Protection of Freedom Act Para 4(5) states that the maximum sum that may be
    recovered from the keeper is the charge stated on the Notice to Keeper.

    (9) The signage was inadequate to form a contract with the motorist
    1. The signage on this site is inadequate to form a contract. It is barely legible, making it
    difficult to read.
    2. The sign fails because it must state what the ANPR data will be used for. This is an
    ICO breach and contrary to the Code of Practice.
    3. The sign does not contain an obligation as to how to ‘validly display’ the ticket in the
    windscreen, therfore there was no breach of any ‘relevant obligation’ or ‘relevant
    contract’ as required under Schedule 4 of POFA.
    4. In the absence of ‘adequate notice’ of the terms and the charge (which must be in
    large prominent letters such as the brief, clear and multiple signs in the Beavis case)
    this fails to meet the requirements of Schedule 4 of the POFA.
    (10) The driver did not enter into any 'agreement on the charge', no consideration flowed
    between the parties and no contract was established.
    The Defendant denies that the driver would have agreed to pay the original demand
    of £100 to agree to the alleged contract had the terms and conditions of the contract
    been properly displayed and accessible.

    (11)
    1. The Claimant has sent threatening and misleading demands which stated that
    further debt recovery action would be taken to recover what is owed by passing the
    debt to a ‘local’ recovery agent (which suggested to the Defendant they would be
    calling round like bailiffs) adding further unexplained charges of £25 to the
    £100 with no evidence of how this extra charge has been calculated.
    No figure for additional charges was 'agreed' nor could it have formed part of the
    alleged 'contract' because no such indemnity costs were quantified on the signs.
    Terms cannot be bolted on later with figures plucked out of thin air, as if they were
    incorporated into the small print when they were not.
    2. The Defendant also disputes that the Claimant has incurred £50 solicitor costs.
    3. The Defendant has the reasonable belief that the Claimant has not incurred £50 costs
    to pursue an alleged £100 debt.
    4. Not withstanding the Defendant's belief, the costs are in any case not recoverable.
    5. The Claimant described the charge of £50.00 "legal fees" not "contractual costs".
    CPR 27.14 does not permit these to be recovered in the Small Claims Court.

    (12). The Defendant would like to point out that this car park can be fully distinguished
    from the details, facts and location in the Beavis case. This site does not offer a free
    parking licence, nor is there any comparable 'legitimate interest' nor complex
    contractual arrangement to disengage the penalty rule, as ParkingEye did in the
    unique case heard by the Supreme Court in 2015. Whilst the Claimant withheld any
    photos of the signs on site, the Defendant contends these are illegible with terms
    hidden in small print, unlike the 'clear and prominent' signs which created a contract
    Mr Beavis was 'bound to have seen'.





    I believe the facts stated in this defence are true.


    (Name) (Signature) (Date)!
  • The_Deep
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    edited 7 November 2016 at 1:12PM
    Have you complained to the SRA? Gladstones are being investigated for any number of irregularities, one more will do no harm.

    http://www.sra.org.uk/consumers/problems/report-solicitor.page
    You never know how far you can go until you go too far.
  • I have indeed thanks The Deep. And you are right. The more complaints they have against them the more difficulties and obstacles Gladstones will have in their way.
  • Coupon-mad
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    Looks good to go unless you want to remove any repetition, e.g. more than one paragraph deals with the added costs, might be better in one place only.
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  • Thanks Coupon-Mad. I've altered it to remove the repetition.
  • Now. One last question. When printing before sending this to Northampton can it be double sided (duplex) or print on one side only?
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