REMOANERS, get over it and back BREXIT.

LHW99

banning experts who don't have UK passports from giving advice

I haven't read a good (ie balanced / unbiased) account of the thinking for that, but potentially there could be a conflict of interest if you are asking people who are EU nationals to advise on leaving the EU.
Rather like if you ask a smoker to advise on an anti-smoking policy.

nkomp18

Before the referendum Michael Gove came on tv to say "We had enough of experts telling us what to do". And now it seems that this is the general theme for all decisions taken from now on.
Got tired from getting expert advice, so let's continue with non-expert (aka ignorant) advice. Capital plan

Also, this just in:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/sep/13/zero-chance-eu-citizens-keep-same-rights-post-brexit-expert

Herzlos

Why wouldn't you ask a smoker about an anti-smoking policy? They might actually undestand the consequences.

We've decided to ignore the non-native experts, because we think that native ones are more likely to give us the answers we expect. Foreign academics will be more likely to be well travels and big on multiculturalism, as well as experience of the EU.
Potentially, they've decided to do it to keep the voters from complaining.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

nkomp18 wrote: »

As for the rest of us, nearly HALF on the population, we have a responsibility to speak out loud and not let Brexit take us back to the middle ages.

Scary things are happening right now. I'm not talking about the pound going down the toilet. Abolishing Human rights acts, listing foreigners, banning experts who don't have UK passports from giving advice (regardless how many PhD's they may have)...
It's turning into Nazi germany here and you have the nerve to tell us to shut up?

Very true.

It's patently absurd to expect supporters of a political philosophy to stop supporting it after a democratic vote just because the vote went against them.

We don't expect the losing party in an Election to just stay silent for the next 5 years.... To not hold the winner to account... To not make their case for why the winner was wrong.

We expect them to oppose the winning party and get on with making their case for why their ideas are better and the elected party is wrong.

Exactly the same thing holds true with Brexit.

When the Brexiteers prove unable to spend £350m a year on the NHS they must be held to account.

When the Brexiteers prove unable to deliver the trade deals they promised they must be held to account.

When the Brexiteers promises about economic performance inevitably flounder they must be held to account.

When despite assurances that all would be well from the Brexiteers, the pound crashes and inflation soars, they must be held to account.

If we ever leave the EU there will be a significant campaign and movement spending however long it takes to get us back in.

This thing is far from over...

Shakethedisease

About time parliament got a say.

Theresa May is under massive cross-party pressure to grant MPs a vote on any decision to leave or limit UK involvement in the European single market, amid growing outrage at the prospect that parliament could be bypassed over the biggest economic decision in decades. Tory MPs joined forces with former leaders of Labour and the Liberal Democrats, the SNP and Greens to insist that parliament have a say and a vote, pointing out that, while the British people had backed leaving the EU, they had not chosen to leave the biggest trading market in the western world.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/08/mps-demand-vote-hard-brexit-single-market

Moby

nkomp18 wrote: »

I have never met any Remainer who suddenly changed their minds and think that Brexit is a rocking idea. However, I met so many Brexiters who say they didn't expect a lot of the stuff that is happening now and are deeply rethinking their vote.
So I do want to challenge that the 1.9% who did this is perhaps no longer there.
As for the rest of us, nearly HALF on the population, we have a responsibility to speak out loud and not let Brexit take us back to the middle ages.
Scary things are happening right now. I'm not talking about the pound going down the toilet. Abolishing Human rights acts, listing foreigners, banning experts who don't have UK passports from giving advice (regardless how many PhD's they may have)...
It's turning into Nazi germany here and you have the nerve to tell us to shut up?

No one is going to shut me up and from what Im reading there is a groundswell of growing opposition to this nonsensical vote. If the decision to leave cant be changed the nature and degree of the Brexit is definitely not settled despite Mays speech!

gfplux

Moby wrote: »

No one is going to shut me up and from what Im reading there is a groundswell of growing opposition to this nonsensical vote. If the decision to leave cant be changed the nature and degree of the Brexit is definitely not settled despite Mays speech!

I am not sure you are right but even if you are don't you think that the EU now have a say in the matter.
Little Britain may not have pulled the trigger yet but most of the EU will never forget the Brexit vote.

setmefree2

nkomp18 wrote: »

I have never met any Remainer who suddenly changed their minds and think that Brexit is a rocking idea. However, I met so many Brexiters who say they didn't expect a lot of the stuff that is happening now and are deeply rethinking their vote.
So I do want to challenge that the 1.9% who did this is perhaps no longer there.
As for the rest of us, nearly HALF on the population, we have a responsibility to speak out loud and not let Brexit take us back to the middle ages.
Scary things are happening right now. I'm not talking about the pound going down the toilet. Abolishing Human rights acts, listing foreigners, banning experts who don't have UK passports from giving advice (regardless how many PhD's they may have)...
It's turning into Nazi germany here and you have the nerve to tell us to shut up?

I voted Remain but I have been very disappointed by the rhetoric this week from Merkel and in particular Hollande.

This sentence alone would make me vote Brexit if we have another vote.“There must be a threat, there must be a risk, there must be a price, otherwise we will be in negotiations that will not end well and, inevitably, will have economic and human consequences,” the French president said.

From my point of view, Hollande sounds just like a gang leader from South side Chicago ghettos, or for that matter, gangs anywhere. Gangs maintain their control by coercion and force. Once you are in, you are in for life. If you threaten to leave, they will threaten your sister or your mom. If you Join another gang, they will likely kill you.


Personally, I can't wait fro Article 50 to be triggered and to leave the EU and I don't really care about the consequences.

setmefree2

Shakethedisease wrote: »

About time parliament got a say.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/08/mps-demand-vote-hard-brexit-single-market

This is already going through the courts. The courts will decide.

setmefree2

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Very true.

It's patently absurd to expect supporters of a political philosophy to stop supporting it after a democratic vote just because the vote went against them.



This thing is far from over...

Trying to over turn the vote in an undemocratic way will do us no good. The will of the majority will win however long it takes. That's democracy.