Appealed to IAS, next step?

Jeppo

Hi folks, I'm hoping to get some advice for my specific ticket scenario.

I parked my car, bought a ticket and displayed it on the dashboard (it was one of those loose tickets - no sticky back provided). On returning to my car I discover a dreaded yellow ticket! Turns out the ticket had slipped further down the dashboard - probably a gust of wind, or when I slammed the door shut - so it was not visible from the exterior. I did speak to the warden and told him what had happened, and showed him my ticket. He was very apologetic, but said it was 'too late' as the information had already been sent off, but recommended I appeal the decision.

So.....my appeal was rejected. I have now submitted an appeal to the IAS (though I'm distinctly getting the impression that many people around these parts think that's a waste of time).

I'm just furious about this. This is a private car park company. What's the next step when/if the IAS decide against me?

beamerguy

Jeppo wrote: »

Hi folks, I'm hoping to get some advice for my specific ticket scenario.

I parked my car, bought a ticket and displayed it on the dashboard (it was one of those loose tickets - no sticky back provided). On returning to my car I discover a dreaded yellow ticket! Turns out the ticket had slipped further down the dashboard - probably a gust of wind, or when I slammed the door shut - so it was not visible from the exterior. I did speak to the warden and told him what had happened, and showed him my ticket. He was very apologetic, but said it was 'too late' as the information had already been sent off, but recommended I appeal the decision.

So.....my appeal was rejected. I have now submitted an appeal to the IAS (though I'm distinctly getting the impression that many people around these parts think that's a waste of time).

I'm just furious about this. This is a private car park company. What's the next step when/if the IAS decide against me?

Who was the PPC ?

You can certainly appeal stating what the warden said.

Bottom line is that the IPC/IAS do not understand english so it will probably fail.

If the PPC is so stupid to go to court, then you will require their warden to provide a statement of truth in front of a judge.
Lies to a court will mean the warden will be very apologetic

See what happens with the IAS. No harm in your appeal stating what the warden said and saying you will be asking him to attend court with a statement of truth.

Maybe the IAS will pass that on to the PPC

Coupon-mad

Slipped P&D ticket, don't tell us, let me guess - AS Parking or Armtrac?!

yotmon

The balls now firmly in their court. After the IAS have rejected your appeal, the parking company will send you debt collector letters from their chosen companies, even a few Solicitor headed demands. They may threaten court, they may actually take action against you and file a claim. This can be done anytime within 6 years of issuing you the ticket.

So, sit tight, keep everything safe somewhere (original paid ticket, their letters etc) just in case it does go to court. If you live close by, then gather further evidence by photographing the signs at the site. Do some research on what to look for and if they are compliant with their governing bodies codes of practice. To be fair, you should have done most of this before appealing.

Ps, did u mention who was the driver ?

Jeppo

Thanks for everyone's responses so far. This is what really concerns me:

The balls now firmly in their court. After the IAS have rejected your appeal, the parking company will send you debt collector letters from their chosen companies, even a few Solicitor headed demands. They may threaten court, they may actually take action against you and file a claim. This can be done anytime within 6 years of issuing you the ticket

If the outcome is a rejection from IAS and they start sending debt collector letters to me will this go on my credit history? Should I respond to any letters etc?

I have the original paid ticket (the warden took a photo of it on the day and said he would pass it on & explain what had happened). I have already admitted I was the driver, but I did that as I really didn't want my partner to be on the receiving end of this.

Also, I didn't give this much thought because when I appealed I honestly thought it would be easily overturned. Something similar happened to me 10 years ago when I had a ticket blown off the dashboard (we found it in the back of the car!). The council cancelled the ticket saying 'be more careful next time'. So much for wishful thinking.

fisherjim

Don't put too much hope in what the attendant said or the photos he took, its part of their placating the sucker training.
Don't forget he's on a bonus to trap as many victims as possible, and getting away from conflict would be his first priority after that.
He's probably collecting Trollies at Tesco now anyway.

Fruitcake

Jeppo wrote: »

Thanks for everyone's responses so far. This is what really concerns me:



If the outcome is a rejection from IAS and they start sending debt collector letters to me will this go on my credit history? Should I respond to any letters etc?

I have the original paid ticket (the warden took a photo of it on the day and said he would pass it on & explain what had happened). I have already admitted I was the driver, but I did that as I really didn't want my partner to be on the receiving end of this.

Also, I didn't give this much thought because when I appealed I honestly thought it would be easily overturned. Something similar happened to me 10 years ago when I had a ticket blown off the dashboard (we found it in the back of the car!). The council cancelled the ticket saying 'be more careful next time'. So much for wishful thinking.

You should read the Sticky thread for NEWBIES, especially the bit about debt collectors.

It is an urban myth that debt collectors can affect your credit rating. If I wrote a begging letter to you and said you will get a CCJ if you don't pay, and your credit rating will be rubbish for six years, would you believe me? Of course you wouldn't.
Getting begging letter from debt collectors is no different.
They have no powers to do anything other than send poor quality bog paper or slightly better quality firelighters.

It's a shame you admitted you were driving, but all is not lost. The parking scammers would have an uphill battle if this went to court. You would show the judge your ticket, stating that you believe that parking companies have stopped using sticky ones deliberately to make money. The tickets are not fit for purpose and you should not be penalised for their incompetence.
There are loads of other legal points you would raise, so if you get real court papers, come back here for further advice.
Until then, you go into ignore mode for anything and everything else that comes through your door.

beamerguy

Jeppo wrote: »

Thanks for everyone's responses so far. This is what really concerns me:

If the outcome is a rejection from IAS and they start sending debt collector letters to me will this go on my credit history? Should I respond to any letters etc?

Rejection by the IAS means nothing, indeed the whole IPC/IAS is flawed and a sham run by the infamous Gladstones solicitors.

The IAS will send a copy to the PPC.

The PPC will then chase you for the amount. No point in dealing with shammers who belong to a sham organisation

Ignore those and maybe you will get debt collectors letters with "scary" words and threats which they cannot carry out.
IGNORE THOSE AS WELL ..... Simpleton debt collectors CANNOT DO ANYTHING TO YOUR CREDIT STATUS only a court can PLACE a CCJ on your credit file and that's only if you lost and did not pay.

Look at it like this ... you are dealing with a "mickey mouse" outfit akin to the Nigerian Scammers

In your case, your winning evidence is that the warden at the time, apologised for his error.

The PPC would be nuts to take you to court but as we know, the majority of PPC's are nutters at the best of time

Jeppo

Fruitcake wrote: »

You should read the Sticky thread for NEWBIES, especially the bit about debt collectors.

It is an urban myth that debt collectors can affect your credit rating. If I wrote a begging letter to you and said you will get a CCJ if you don't pay, and your credit rating will be rubbish for six years, would you believe me? Of course you wouldn't.
Getting begging letter from debt collectors is no different.
They have no powers to do anything other than send poor quality bog paper or slightly better quality firelighters.

It's a shame you admitted you were driving, but all is not lost. The parking scammers would have an uphill battle if this went to court. You would show the judge your ticket, stating that you believe that parking companies have stopped using sticky ones deliberately to make money. The tickets are not fit for purpose and you should not be penalised for their incompetence.
There are loads of other legal points you would raise, so if you get real court papers, come back here for further advice.
Until then, you go into ignore mode for anything and everything else that comes through your door.

I will endeavour to read the newbie thread more closely, but thanks for this - it's cleared matters up nicely. I have no intention of paying anything. Will let you know what the IAS say.

peter_the_piper

I believe IAS have a hat in the middle of the desk and they put 100 in and pull out 2 or 3. These are accepted and all the rest are automatically rejected.

Coupon-mad

If the outcome is a rejection from IAS and they start sending debt collector letters to me will this go on my credit history?

Not at all:

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5035663

You called him a 'warden' as if this was a real parking ticket from a legit agency...hopefully your reading of other threads will have made you realise otherwise.