Amtrac Secuirty Fine (ticket turned over)

Zaox

Hi folks

We had a PCN from the company above. We purchased a ticket but their tickets had no stick on them and it had turned over on the dash presumably as the door closed.

We sent them the photograph of the ticket for proof, they said we still had to pay.

We naively used what we now know is basically a kangaroo court the IAS who declined our appeal.

This feels to me just like extortion, the ticket was bought, we've proved it was bought.

Should we basically just tell these scammers to jump off of a short pier?

THx

Coupon-mad

As long as you didn't use the £15 IAS 'version' then the alleged 'kangaroo court' decision is not binding on you. So yep, ignore until you get a LBCCC from a solicitor (or court papers).

Search the forum for 'Armtrac defence' or 'Armtrac claim' to be forewarned of what happens later on and how to defend it in a court where at least it will be a fair hearing.

Zaox

Hi

What's an £15 IAS version?

Thanks

Fruitcake

harrison22 wrote: »

Hi

What's an £15 IAS version?

Thanks

Please read he Sticky thread for NEWBIES at the top of this forum. The majority of acronyms and abbreviations are explained in post 2.

Parking companies have to be a member of a trade association, of which there are two, in order to obtain keeper details. They must also have an independent appeals process.
The BPA use PoPLA and the IPC use IAS.

The IPC IAS process is a kangaroo court I believe offering an 80% rejection rate for its members unless you choose the 15 quid jobby, in which case I believe there is a 100% chance your appeal will be rejected.

Coupon-mad

harrison22 wrote: »

Hi

What's an £15 IAS version?

Thanks

The £15 version of 'IAS' is the one that costs you £15 - to be avoided at all costs as it is binding on consumers, who will almost certainly lose and then HAVE to pay. Hopefully you used the 'free' version - pointless and inadvisable IMHO - but at least not binding on you.

Zaox

Apparently we didn't pay them any money so no, we didn't use the IAS £!5

Zaox

So now it's basically a case of sit and wait or should we contact Amtrac to tell them we are refusing to pay?

Based on previous experience does it seem viable we would win in court as we did buy the ticket and have proof of purchase.

THanks.

Coupon-mad

Yes you have a case to defend this, as most people do...because most PPC 'fines' are spurious, in our experience. Everyone here with an IPC ticket sits tight after sending just one first appeal/challenge, ignores the IAS 'offer' and any debt collector threatograms and responds only to a solicitor's letter, a Letter of Claim/Letter before Action or actual court papers.

But Armtrac have no record of court claims:

http://www.bmpa.eu/companydata/KBT_Cornwall.html

and if they started now, you'd still have a case to defend at a fairer court then IAS! Sit tight and relax, collect all letters and if you move house, tell them and keep proof, to avoid the possibility of a sneaky default CCJ within six years (which some firms are doing right now but it has been exposed this week):

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5524754

If there is a good time to get a PPC fake PCN, it's probably better now than it was last year IMHO, when the industry was bragging about the ParkingEye v Beavis case and setting themselves up for a court 'feeding frenzy'. The greed of this 'industry' and the fact they skirt close to the edged s of what is unlawful/unfair business practice, is what catches them out. They are currently exposed and let's hope further exposure follows which makes them very uncomfortable indeed.

Zaox

Ok thanks, will do.

Grimble

Council adjudicators have deemed the ticket is not fit for purpose if it will blow over.

Coupon-mad

Grimble wrote: »

Council adjudicators have deemed the ticket is not fit for purpose if it will blow over.

Indeed, and there are a couple of defences I wrote on here or pepipoo, which have incorporated the compelling view of the PATAS Lead Adjudicator and other Adjudicators about 'fluttering tickets' and their flimsiness.

If PPCs want to be considered to be 'similar to council PCNs' then they can't complain if defendants use the argument back at them to sway a Judge against them. It's fair comment and if a Judge is prepared to look at that defence point the views of Adjudicators on this exact point of parking 'fairness' is compelling and *can* (in theory...anything goes in small claims) be argued to apply also to contract law situations of parking tickets, because the PPC is a service provider (LOL) and there are consumer laws about unfair trading practices (under the CPUTRs and the Consumer Rights Act 2015)