The Trade Implications of Brexit....

CLAPTON

vivatifosi wrote: »

No, it means I welcome a mix of companies in the UK, both domestic and foreign parented. We are nowhere near 100% ownership of UK business.

do you welcome more or less foreign ownership than we have at present?

The importing of low paid jobs is a separate issue. Otherwise all of those foreign workers would be coming here to work for foreign companies, whereas they are just as likely to end up working for British companies or institutions. A simpler answer to that issue would be to not pay any benefits until someone had been in the UK a number of years. That way people would really have to want to come here.

it makes no macroeconomic difference whether an ACTUAL job goes to a native or an immigrant or whether a job went to a native when they had been displaced by an immigrant

The companies that I have worked for employed a vast majority of people who were British, including in the Welsh valleys where they were really appreciated.

I ask again : do your welcome more foreign ownership or less?

What employment would you offer to the likes of Nissan employees if they withdrew from manufacturing in the UK?

there is no reason for nissan to withdraw as we are net importers: there is plenty of scope for greater car manufacture here to meet UK needs

CLAPTON

BobQ wrote: »

The question is why you oppose immigration?

Nothing in the post mentioned racism. I agree it is one of the possible explanations, but feel free to suggest another. Just remember that you used the R word first.

Bob
I genuinely think you are a very nice person.
I also think your are a little naive like many very nice people.

I have given my reasons for wishing to maintain our preent population about 1000 times
they go something like this
-GDP is a false measure of the wealthfare of the people
-per capita GDP is a false measure of the welfare of the people
-there are huge infrastructure costs to support the huge increase in population
-there are no benefits int eh cincreae in population to the existing people of the UK
-there are huge quality of life costs about the ever increasing population.
-there are huge decreases in the quality of life due to
-:poorer qualitiy/quantity of housing in the SE/London
-:huge decrease in quality of life due to shortages / access to NHS
-:huge decrease in quality of life due to increase travel /journey to work time and general overcrowding
-depression in the wages for the lower paid due to the unlimited cheap immigrant labour force.
-lack of need to improve productivity due to endless supply of cheap labour.

I've probably left a few out due to writers fatigue but ...........

and just to add : more jobs doesnt mean greater quality of life , China, Indian, Brazil, Russia have more jobs but are massively poorer.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

CLAPTON wrote: »

I have given my reasons for wishing to maintain our preent population about 1000 times
they go something like this
-GDP is a false measure of the wealthfare of the people
-per capita GDP is a false measure of the welfare of the people
-there are huge infrastructure costs to support the huge increase in population
-there are no benefits int eh cincreae in population to the existing people of the UK
-there are huge quality of life costs about the ever increasing population.
-there are huge decreases in the quality of life due to
-:poorer qualitiy/quantity of housing in the SE/London
-:huge decrease in quality of life due to shortages / access to NHS
-:huge decrease in quality of life due to increase travel /journey to work time and general overcrowding
-depression in the wages for the lower paid due to the unlimited cheap immigrant labour force.
-lack of need to improve productivity due to endless supply of cheap labour..

But as has frequently been pointed out to you by many posters, those 'reasons' are mostly outright fiction and the handful that have even the slightest grain of truth are vastly exaggerated, and as I refuse to believe you're naive enough to actually believe them then the only rational alternative is that you are using them as a deflection to avoid discussing your real issue with it.

So why do you really dislike immigration so much?

evenasus

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

I'm asking why you dislike immigration so much and haven't mentioned racism once in this discussion.

That you intensely dislike it at an emotional level is blatantly obvious.

But why?

I don't know about CLAPTON.

Immigrant families like this are costing the UK hundreds of thousands of pounds.

• Unemployed couple with eight children refused five-bed council house
• Arnold Mballe Sube and his wife Jeanne now claim they are 'neglected'
• Claim they need property with at least six double rooms to be comfortable
• They currently live in a three-bedroom, end-of-terrace home in Luton
• Family received annual hand-outs worth £44k since they arrived in the UK
• Put up in hotel for £38k with £21k room service which they refused to pay

The family received more than £100,000 last year in benefits and while they waited to move into their current home, Luton Borough Council housed them for almost four months at the town's £160-per-night Hampton by Hilton hotel, costing £38,400.

CLAPTON

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

But as has frequently been pointed out to you by many posters, those 'reasons' are mostly outright fiction and the handful that have even the slightest grain of truth are vastly exaggerated, and as I refuse to believe you're naive enough to actually believe them then the only rational alternative is that you are using them as a deflection to avoid discussing your real issue with it.

So why do you really dislike immigration so much?

I can only talk for myself

you simply refuse to answer any economics questions

however, if we have finished with discussing socio - economics and if you wish to answer

why did you vote to (continue to ) discriminate against the peoples of every black country in the world and just vote to favour the peoples of white, christian europe countries?

CLAPTON

evenasus wrote: »

I don't know about CLAPTON.

Immigrant families like this are costing the UK hundreds of thousands of pounds.

• Unemployed couple with eight children refused five-bed council house
• Arnold Mballe Sube and his wife Jeanne now claim they are 'neglected'
• Claim they need property with at least six double rooms to be comfortable
• They currently live in a three-bedroom, end-of-terrace home in Luton
• Family received annual hand-outs worth £44k since they arrived in the UK
• Put up in hotel for £38k with £21k room service which they refused to pay

just for the record, your examples are NOT reasons why I wish to limit the size of the UK population :

the examples you give are indeed reasons why our benefit laws are ridiculous and urgently need reforming but haven't really much to do with immigration.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

evenasus wrote: »

Immigrant families like this are costing the UK hundreds of thousands of pounds.

Maybe.

But that's really nothing to do with immigration and everything to do with a broken benefits system.

So why do you really dislike immigration?

evenasus

CLAPTON wrote: »

just for the record, your examples are NOT reasons why I wish to limit the size of the UK population :

Which is why I said "I don't know about CLAPTON."
They were my reasons. And many more people are in agreement.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

evenasus wrote: »

Which is why I said "I don't know about CLAPTON."
They were my reasons. And many more people are in agreement.

So you oppose benefits abuse not immigration per se?

Or is it the case that if the govt negotiated free movement with no access to benefits you'd still be up in arms about it....:cool:

CLAPTON

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

So you oppose benefits abuse not immigration per se?

Or is it the case that if the govt negotiated free movement with no access to benefits you'd still be up in arms about it....:cool:

however, if we have finished with discussing socio - economics and if you wish to answer

why did you vote to (continue to ) discriminate against the peoples of every black country in the world and just vote to favour the peoples of white, christian europe countries?