The Trade Implications of Brexit....

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Fella wrote: »

Yes they should as there will definitely be lots of losers. .

Agreed.

I do think though that you are only partially correct when you note "the current winners know who they are".

I rather suspect that many of the people who voted to leave have no idea just how much they benefit from EU membership - and how much they stand to lose if we leave the single market.

CLAPTON

vivatifosi wrote: »

I have spent the majority of my working life working for overseas parented businesses with locations in the UK. Those businesses paid local taxes, including corporation tax and employers NI. They also support a large cohort of smaller British businesses that sell them goods and services. They employ a lot of British people and help keep our unemployment stats low.

The world is moving towards more globalisation, not less.

Does that mean you therefore welcome the further foreign ownership of UK businesses and positively welcome the fact that all future dividend and profits will flow overseas?

Is the more the merrier : if some 'inward ' investment is good news is say 100% foreigh ownership of the UK even better.

Why is importing people to do jobs that we don't need, a good thing?

CLAPTON

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Your truly extraordinary dislike for immigration is well known, but.... just..... Wow.

Why is investment and job creation a good thing?

Really?

Can we get past these ever more bizarre posts and justifications.....

It's clear you have a really extreme dislike of immigration at an emotional level.

Can you, honestly for a change, just explain why?

Why do you dislike immigration so much you're willing to latch onto ever more extreme and tenuous reasons to prevent it?

I have explained the economic case : you can either choose to debate the economics of the matter or not as you wish.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

CLAPTON wrote: »

I have explained the economic case : you can either choose to debate the economics of the matter or not as you wish.

You've never come up with an "economic case" as there isn't one - you've come up with a number of fallacies that have been comprehensively debunked.

Just be honest.... Why do you dislike immigration so much?

Cultural changes?

Change in general?

What?

CLAPTON

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

You've never come up with an "economic case" as there isn't one - you've come up with a number of fallacies that have been comprehensively debunked.

Just be honest.... Why do you dislike immigration so much?

Cultural changes?

Change in general?

What?

if your answer to every economic argument that you disagree with is 'racism ' then so beit but it makes any debate a little uninteresting.

vivatifosi

CLAPTON wrote: »

Does that mean you therefore welcome the further foreign ownership of UK businesses and positively welcome the fact that all future dividend and profits will flow overseas?

Is the more the merrier : if some 'inward ' investment is good news is say 100% foreigh ownership of the UK even better.

Why is importing people to do jobs that we don't need, a good thing?

No, it means I welcome a mix of companies in the UK, both domestic and foreign parented. We are nowhere near 100% ownership of UK business.

The importing of low paid jobs is a separate issue. Otherwise all of those foreign workers would be coming here to work for foreign companies, whereas they are just as likely to end up working for British companies or institutions. A simpler answer to that issue would be to not pay any benefits until someone had been in the UK a number of years. That way people would really have to want to come here.

The companies that I have worked for employed a vast majority of people who were British, including in the Welsh valleys where they were really appreciated.

What employment would you offer to the likes of Nissan employees if they withdrew from manufacturing in the UK?

BobQ

CLAPTON wrote: »

if your answer to every economic argument that you disagree with is 'racism ' then so beit but it makes any debate a little uninteresting.

The question is why you oppose immigration?

Nothing in the post mentioned racism. I agree it is one of the possible explanations, but feel free to suggest another. Just remember that you used the R word first.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

vivatifosi wrote: »

I have spent the majority of my working life working for overseas parented businesses with locations in the UK. Those businesses paid local taxes, including corporation tax and employers NI. They also support a large cohort of smaller British businesses that sell them goods and services. They employ a lot of British people and help keep our unemployment stats low.

The world is moving towards more globalisation, not less.

On the contrary, there is much to suggest just the opposite - indeed, even that globalisation is an evil.

Think of the very recent EU claims and fine regarding Apple, for example - and public sentiment surrounding this issue.
In fact the EU are investigating others, including Amazon and Starbucks.
Or the USA fines imposed (for example) upon VW, BP and various banks.

Can globalisation continue apace when what previously appeared to be potentially huge profits are lessened by potentially huge tax and regulative fines?
What makes matters worse at the moment is the "tit-for-tat" appearance to these fines; USA fines VW -> EU fines Apple.
Cue argument.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37179785

Also there is this:

There is a growing public backlash in the West against free trade and globalisation, which critics blame for factory closures, depressed wages and a widening gap between rich and poor. Britain's decision to leave the European Union was partly seen as a protest by some voters against globalisation.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-eu-trade-idUKKCN11F1LZ

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

CLAPTON wrote: »

if your answer to every economic argument that you disagree with is 'racism ' then so beit but it makes any debate a little uninteresting.

I'm asking why you dislike immigration so much and haven't mentioned racism once in this discussion.

That you intensely dislike it at an emotional level is blatantly obvious.

But why?

chucknorris

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

I'm asking why you dislike immigration so much and haven't mentioned racism once in this discussion.

That you intensely dislike it at an emotional level is blatantly obvious.

But why?

First of all I am not saying that Clapton is a racist. But what gets me most about this subject area is that I firmly believe that someone should be judged only on their ability and nothing else. I could definitely accept failure because someone else (many) was better than me, regardless of their ethnic (or from some other country/whatever), I would see that as my failing, and I would have to deal with it.

I also think that it isn't right that we benefit (when others suffer) from simply being born in this country, whereas other have been unlucky enough to have been born (for example) in an African country), in fact, I have seen posts from Clapton that seem to support this view, so I am a little confused about Clapton's stance.