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UKPC Parking in a disabled bay with hospital permit!

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  • Coupon-mad
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    Get rid of heading #7 altogether, I meant you to move the paragraph to within your signage point instead.

    Replace #7 with the new appeal point I mentioned which you haven't included. You find it by searching the forum board for the word 'individual'.
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  • Sorry I'm new to all this!

    Replace whole of 7 with this:

    he operator has not shown that the individual who it is pursuing is in fact liable for the charge
    The burden of proof rests with the Operator in both showing that I, the appellant and registered keeper, has not complied with terms in place on the land and showing that I am liable for the parking charge issued. As the registered keeper of the vehicle, it is my right, under Schedule 4, to not name the driver and still not be lawfully held liable.
    There is no ‘reasonable presumption’ in law that the keeper of a vehicle was the driver at the time of a charge being recorded. Operators should never suggest this. Furthermore, a failure or refusal to name the driver on the part of the recipient of a parking charge notice under Schedule 4 does not mean that the recipient accepts they were the driver at the material time. A keeper has no obligation to name the driver.
    Therefore, no lawful right exists to pursue unpaid parking charges from myself as keeper of the vehicle as they have not met the critical conditions within Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act (POFA) 2012. As the registered keeper, I am the appellant throughout (as I am entitled to be), and as there has been no admission regarding who was driving, and no evidence has been produced, it has been held by POPLA on numerous occasions, that a parking charge cannot be enforced against a registered keeper without a valid NTK.

    Furthermore the paramount importance of compliance with POFA 2012 was confirmed by Henry Greenslade, the previous POPLA Lead Adjudicator, in his 2015 POPLA Report: ''If {POFA 2012 Schedule 4 is} not complied with then keeper liability does not generally pass.''
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    Yes. Someone before you using this appeal point has paraphrased Henry Greenslade's words and swapped the wording around so I've re-hashed it and added the explanation that there were two of you in the car, so POPLA do not forget that. So yes, replace 7 with this (below) but first of all, cut & paste that paragraph you had under #7 and put it in your 'unclear signs' point instead as it makes sense there.


    7. The operator has not shown that the individual who it is pursuing is in fact liable for the charge

    It is a fact mentioned in our appeal that there were two of us in the car but the driver has never been admitted nor evidenced. As the registered keeper of the vehicle, it is my right, under Schedule 4, to choose not to name the driver and still not be lawfully held liable.

    The burden of proof rests with the Operator in both showing that I, the appellant and registered keeper, has not complied with terms in place on the land and showing that I am liable for the parking charge issued.

    As the registered keeper, I am the appellant throughout (as I am entitled to be), and as there has been no admission regarding who was driving, and no evidence has been produced, it has been held by POPLA on numerous occasions, that a parking charge cannot be enforced against a registered keeper without a valid NTK.

    Furthermore the vital matter of full compliance with the POFA 2012 was confirmed by parking law expert barrister, Henry Greenslade, the previous POPLA Lead Adjudicator, in 2015:

    Understanding keeper liability
    “There appears to be continuing misunderstanding about Schedule 4. Provided certain conditions are strictly complied with, it provides for recovery of unpaid parking charges from the keeper of the vehicle.

    There is no ‘reasonable presumption’ in law that the registered keeper of a vehicle is the driver. Operators should never suggest anything of the sort.

    Further, a failure by the recipient of a notice issued under Schedule 4 to name the driver, does not of itself mean that the recipient has accepted that they were the driver at the material time. Unlike, for example, a Notice of Intended Prosecution where details of the driver of a vehicle must be supplied when requested by the police, pursuant to Section 172 of the Road Traffic Act 1988, a keeper sent a Schedule 4 notice has no legal obligation to name the driver. [...] If {POFA 2012 Schedule 4 is} not complied with then keeper liability does not generally pass.''

    Therefore, no lawful right exists to pursue unpaid parking charges from myself as keeper of the vehicle as they have not met the critical conditions within Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act (POFA) 2012 and the driver remains unidentified.
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  • Okay. I think I have it!! I really appreciate your help.

    Here we go:

    I submit the points below to show that I am not liable for the parking charge:

    1) Incorrect Contravention - Permit
    2) The operator/landowner has not complied with provisions of the Equality Act 2010
    3) Non-Compliant and late Notice to Keeper - no keeper liability established under Protection of Freedoms Act 2012
    4) Failure to invoke Keeper Liability under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (the POFA).
    5) No standing or authority to pursue charges nor form contracts with drivers.
    6) Unclear and non-compliant signage, forming no contract with drivers.
    7) The operator has not shown that the individual who it is pursuing is in fact liable for the charge
    8) No legitimate interest in enforcing a charge – (Parking Eye vs Beavis Case not relevant)



    1) Incorrect Contravention – Permit

    This is due to the fact we were hospital visiting at the time (which we do voluntarily) for hospital radio. We have been doing hospital radio for over 5 years and have never had a problem with parking anywhere on site with the hospital radio permit that was issued to us.

    Please see attached evidence, our parking permit, which was displayed clearly at all times as proof of my claim.

    Please note that one of us has Crohn’s disease and was going through a flare up at the time of parking and needs to be close to a toilet a lot of the time. Although we do not have a disabled badge, Crohn's disease is a long-term medical condition affecting daily life and was one of the main reasons we parked in this space, as it was closer to the door.







    2) The operator/landowner has not complied with provisions of the Equality Act 2010

    UKPC/landowner has not complied with provisions of the Equality Act 2010. In fact under the Equality Act Chapter 2, UKPC would be considered to be showing indirect discrimination and discrimination due to disability.

    UKPC has not complied with any aspect of the Equality Act and certainly not complied with the BPA Approved Operator Scheme.

    Furthermore, UKPC has no regard for Department of Health guidelines for parking on NHS sites and this cannot be deemed acceptable. gov.uk/government/publications/nhs-patient-visitor-and-staff-car-parking-principles/nhs-patient-visitor-and-staff-car-parking-principles


    3) Non-Compliant and late Notice to Keeper - no keeper liability established under Protection of Freedoms Act 2012

    As the parking company have neither identified the driver nor provided any evidence as to who the driver was I submit that I am not liable to any charge.

    I would like to point out that Schedule 4 paragraphs 8 and 9 of the Protection of Freedoms Act stipulates that some mandatory information must be included in the Notice to Keeper. If all of this information is not present then the Notice to Keeper is invalid and a parking company can only potentially pursue the (unidentified) driver.

    The following points may be observed as failures in this Notice to Keeper, making this non-compliant under the POFA 2012, Schedule 4 paragraph 9:

    a. A notice to keeper has never been sent. No transfer of liability from driver to keeper as no NTK issued.

    A Notice to Keeper is a fundamental document in establishing keeper liability. The requirements of Schedule 4 of POFA 2012 and the mandatory detail and wording to ensure a Notice to Keeper is compliant are prescriptive, unequivocal and a matter of statute, not contract law. Any omission or failure to set out or send the mandatory Notice to Keeper renders it non-compliant.

    4) Failure to invoke Keeper Liability under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (the POFA).
    In order to pursue Keeper Liability under the POFA, CP Plus must have met the strict conditions in the Act. However, they have failed to fulfil the requirements of the “Notice to Keeper” (‘NtK’) as per para. 9 Sch 4 of the Act which reads in part:

    “(1) A notice which is to be relied on as a notice to keeper for the purposes of paragraph 6(1)(b) is given in accordance with this paragraph if the following requirements are met.
    (2) The notice must—
    (b) inform the keeper that the driver is required to pay parking charges in respect of the specified period of parking and that the parking charges have not been paid in full;
    (e) state that the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver and invite the keeper—
    (i) to pay the unpaid parking charges; or
    (ii) if the keeper was not the driver of the vehicle, to notify the creditor of the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver and to pass the notice on to the driver;
    (f) warn the keeper that if, after the period of 28 days beginning with the day after that on which the notice is given—
    (i) the amount of the unpaid parking charges specified under paragraph (d) has not been paid in full, and
    (ii) the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver,
    the creditor will (if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met) have the right to recover from the keeper so much of that amount as remains unpaid;
    (h) identify the creditor and specify how and to whom payment or notification to the creditor may be made;
    (4) The notice must be given by:
    (b) sending it by post to a current address for service for the keeper so that it is delivered to that address within the relevant period.
    (5) The relevant period for the purposes of sub-paragraph (4) is the period of 14 days beginning with the day after that on which the specified period of parking ended.
    (6) A notice sent by post is to be presumed, unless the contrary is proved, to have been delivered (and so “given” for the purposes of sub-paragraph (4)) on the second working day after the day on which it is posted; and for this purpose “working day” means any day other than a Saturday, Sunday or a public holiday in England and Wales.”

    The NTK fails due to the following reasons:
    The following points (A)-(E) may be observed as flaws in this NTK, making this non-compliant under the POFA 2012:

    (A) The 'period of parking' is not 'specified', only the times the car was seen in traffic on arrival and on the final time it left that day. There's no evidence of parking at all.
    (B) It does not inform the keeper that the driver is required to pay parking charges in respect of the specified period of parking and that the parking charges have not been paid in full;
    (C) It fails to describe any alleged unpaid parking charges “for the specified period of parking” (a period which was not specified). POFA requires that a NTK describes any 'outstanding' 'unpaid' charges which the driver owed as at a time not later than the DAY BEFORE the issue of the postal NTK. The sum for breach of contract cannot be described as ‘unpaid by the driver’ prior to the day the NTK was issued, because it only arises and could be described as 'unpaid', if at all, at/after the time of receipt of the NTK by the keeper. The inflated PCN amount now being pursued for 'breach' should not be confused with the sum intended by Schedule 4 of the POFA, just because it is also - coincidentally, perhaps - called a ‘parking charge’. The timelines are clearly stated in the Act and it is clear that the Act requires any unpaid tariff that the driver owed before the NTK was issued, to be stated - and that this is the only sum that can be pursued from a registered keeper.
    (D) It does not identify the creditor, who could be the landowner, a retailer, a managing agent, or the Operator, or another party. The fact that an Operator's name is on a NTK as the payee, does not 'identify' them as the creditor because administrative functions such as sending notices and collecting monies can be carried out by other parties, such as agents and debt collectors who are never 'the creditor'. This Operator could simply be an administrator, a debt collector only - the creditor could be any other party if not specified here. Such basic detail cannot be assumed. The creditor has to be 'identified' with words to the effect that 'the creditor is...'.
    (E) The NTK fails to show the arrangements for complaints and the geographical address of the client/landowner, since this Operator is an agent . This is a requirement for all consumer contracts since June 2014, in accordance with the Consumer Contracts (Information, Cancellation and Additional Charges) Regs 2013 and also a breach of the POFA not to include full details of such arrangements for complaints.

    The fact that some of this information may be able to be implied by a reader familiar with the legal context of parking does not mean that the NTK is compliant. A NTK is a fundamental document in establishing keeper liability. The requirements of Schedule 4 of POFA2012 as regards the wording in a compliant NTK are prescriptive, unequivocal and a matter of statute, not contract law. Any omission or failure to set out even some of the mandatory NTK wording means there is no 'keeper liability'.

    In this case the driver has not been identified so the charge has no legal basis to be enforced against me.

    5) No standing or authority to pursue charges nor form contracts with drivers

    UKPC has no proprietary interest in the land, so they have no standing to make contracts with drivers in their own right, nor to pursue charges for breach in their own name. In the absence of such title, UKPC must have assignment of rights from the landowner to pursue charges for breach in their own right, including at court level. A commercial site agent for the true landholder has no automatic standing nor authority in their own right which would meet the strict requirements of section 7 of the BPA Code of Practice.

    In addition, Section 7.3 of the British Parking Association CoP states:

    “The written authorisation must also set out:

    a) the definition of the land on which you may operate, so that the boundaries of the land can be clearly defined

    b) any conditions or restrictions on parking control and enforcement operations, including any restrictions on hours of operation

    c) any conditions or restrictions on the types of vehicles that may, or may not, be subject to parking control and enforcement

    d) who has the responsibility for putting up and maintaining signs

    e) the definition of the services provided by each party to the agreement.''




    6) Unclear and non-compliant signage, forming no contract with drivers.

    The signs do not meet the minimum requirements in part 18 of the BPA code of practice. They were not clear and intelligible as required.

    The BPA Code of Practice states under appendix B, entrance signage:

    “The sign must be readable from far enough away so that drivers can take in all the essential text without needing to look more than 10 degrees away from the road ahead.”

    For a contract to be formed, one of the many considerations is that there must be adequate signage on entering the car park and throughout the car park. I contend that there is not.

    When with reference to the BPA Code of Practice, it actually states:

    "There must be enough colour contrast between the text and its background, each of which should be a single solid colour. The best way to achieve this is to have black text on a white background, or white text on a black background. Combinations such as blue on yellow are not easy to read and may cause problems for drivers with impaired colour vision".
    There were no signs or road markings to indicate that the area was private property or in any way restricted, and no signage indicating the area was private before entering.
    The requirement to pay £60.00 is not clear on any of the signs that are directed to the disabled driver and are not prominent. Such an onerous obligation should be the most prominent part of the sign, as is stated in Lord Denning's Red Hand Rule.

    Any photos supplied by UKPC to POPLA will no doubt portray it with the signs in a clear picture without many pieces of information in the clutter of this Hospital car park. As such, I require UKPC to state the height of each sign in their response and to show contemporaneous photo evidence of these signs, taken at the same time of day without photo-shopping or cropping and showing where the signs are placed among a myriad of other information bombarding the disabled person without the help of external lighting such as a camera flash or torch.

    Unreadable signage breaches Appendix B of the British Parking Association’s (BPA) Code of Practice which states that terms on entrance signs must be clearly readable without a driver having to turn away from the road ahead. A Notice is not imported into the contract unless brought home so prominently that the party 'must' have known of it and agreed terms beforehand. Nothing about this Operator's onerous inflated 'parking charges' was sufficiently prominent and it is clear that the requirements for forming a contract (i.e. consideration flowing between the two parties, offer, acceptance and fairness and transparency of terms offered in good faith) were not satisfied.

    In any case, the driver was not adequately informed of the terms at the disabled bays when using one in good faith, nor warned 'prominently in large letters' of the actual sum of the parking charge anywhere. There were no signs of terms/charge at the disabled bays which - as well as a BPA breach - fails 2(3) of Schedule 4 outright. UKPC fail on a number of occasions and as such I would respectfully request that this appeal is upheld.


    Please see attached evidence, which are some photos we have taken of the parking spaces and the lack of signage we have gathered as proof.

    There are also no parking signs in front or near the said disabled bays or in the actual car park that we could see. Section 18.10 of the BPA CoP states the following:
    So that disabled motorists can decide whether they want to use the site, there should be at least one sign containing the terms and conditions for parking that can be viewed without needing to leave the vehicle. Ideally this sign should be close to any parking bays set aside for disabled motorists.


    7. The operator has not shown that the individual who it is pursuing is in fact liable for the charge

    It is a fact mentioned in our appeal that there were two of us in the car but the driver has never been admitted nor evidenced. As the registered keeper of the vehicle, it is my right, under Schedule 4, to choose not to name the driver and still not be lawfully held liable.

    The burden of proof rests with the Operator in both showing that I, the appellant and registered keeper, has not complied with terms in place on the land and showing that I am liable for the parking charge issued.

    As the registered keeper, I am the appellant throughout (as I am entitled to be), and as there has been no admission regarding who was driving, and no evidence has been produced, it has been held by POPLA on numerous occasions, that a parking charge cannot be enforced against a registered keeper without a valid NTK.

    Furthermore the vital matter of full compliance with the POFA 2012 was confirmed by parking law expert barrister, Henry Greenslade, the previous POPLA Lead Adjudicator, in 2015:

    Understanding keeper liability
    “There appears to be continuing misunderstanding about Schedule 4. Provided certain conditions are strictly complied with, it provides for recovery of unpaid parking charges from the keeper of the vehicle.

    There is no ‘reasonable presumption’ in law that the registered keeper of a vehicle is the driver. Operators should never suggest anything of the sort.

    Further, a failure by the recipient of a notice issued under Schedule 4 to name the driver, does not of itself mean that the recipient has accepted that they were the driver at the material time. Unlike, for example, a Notice of Intended Prosecution where details of the driver of a vehicle must be supplied when requested by the police, pursuant to Section 172 of the Road Traffic Act 1988, a keeper sent a Schedule 4 notice has no legal obligation to name the driver. [...] If {POFA 2012 Schedule 4 is} not complied with then keeper liability does not generally pass.''

    Therefore, no lawful right exists to pursue unpaid parking charges from myself as keeper of the vehicle as they have not met the critical conditions within Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act (POFA) 2012 and the driver remains unidentified.


    8) No legitimate interest in enforcing a charge – (Parking Eye vs Beavis Case not relevant)

    UKPC has no legitimate interest in enforcing their charge, the charge is disproportionate, a penalty and an unenforceable Unfair Contract Term. This case can easily be distinguished from ParkingEye v Beavis. With regards to the location of the car park and the interests of the operator, there is no comparison with the Beavis decision with this being a residential car park.

    UKPC may seek to rely on the case of ParkingEye v Beavis as legitimizing the charge in this case. The appellant will make the following observations as to why the material case can be easily distinguished from it. The Supreme Court adjudged that the charge in ParkingEye v Beavis could not be considered a penalty, despite the fact that ParkingEye made no loss, because they had a legitimate interest in enforcing that charge and that the charge was not disproportionate to that interest. The legitimate interest was described in the Supreme Court judgment as:

    “97 a. The need to provide parking spaces for their commercial tenants prospective customers;-
    b. The desirability of that parking being free so as to attract customers;-
    c. The need to ensure a reasonable turnover of that parking so as to increase the potential
    number of such customers;-
    d. The related need to prevent `misuse' of the parking for purposes unconnected with the tenants business, for example by commuters going to work or shoppers going to o -park premises; and
    e. The desirability of running that parking scheme at no cost, or ideally some profit, to themselves.”

    In that case the penalty rule had been engaged by the charge but was then disengaged for the above reasons.
    In this case the appellant would submit that the penalty rule has similarly been engaged but in contrast it is not disengaged, UKPC has made no loss and the charge is a penalty.

    UKPC has no legitimate interest in enforcing this charge; their only interest is to seek to profit. Their charge remains an unenforceable penalty as none of the legitimate interests pursued in Parking Eye v Beavis are present in this case. To quote the passage referred to in the Supreme Court judgment.

    “The true test is whether the impugned provision is a secondary obligation which imposes a detriment on the contract-breaker out of all proportion to any legitimate interest of the innocent party in the enforcement of the primary obligation.”

    The Supreme Court made clear that their judgment related only to that particular car park and how it operated. In this situation it is impossible, without intellectual dishonesty, to believe that they would determine that this alleged offence would justify such a disproportionate, extravagant and unconscionable charge. Careful analysis of the Supreme Court judgment is not, as the UKPC may believe, a judicial green light legitimizing all parking charges. It is indeed quite the reverse, and the onus is on the Claimant to demonstrate that they have a legitimate interest in enforcing their charge and that the charge is proportionate to that interest. In this case they do not and it is not.

    The sum of £60.00 is not communicated to drivers at all, let alone clearly and unambiguously, so it falls foul of the findings of the Supreme Court Judges in ParkingEye v Beavis, where the prominence of the £85 charge depicted on a simple sign in contrasting large lettering, was key. If a driver can't read the sum of the parking 'charge' (the £60.00 in this case) before parking - because the sign is wordy and unremarkable, the charge not prominent and the words too small to read from a driver's seat - then they cannot have agreed to it.

    I would remind POPLA that, at the end of September 2015, the outgoing POPLA Service Manager confirmed the following in writing, as the official POPLA policy regarding the requirement for proper application of the Beavis case by both parties. By definition, it is never the remit of POPLA to 'make the Beavis case' for an operator whose argument is weak or silent as regards any 'legitimate' basis for their charge:

    ''It does remain the position that it is for the party seeking to rely on any authority from a case in the higher courts, to explain how they submit it relates to the appeal in question and in particular the matter to be determined.
  • Coupon-mad
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    edited 9 September 2016 at 11:01PM
    Nearly there. OK so paragraph 9 of the POFA, Schedule 4, does not apply to a windscreen PCN case. Paragraph 8 does instead. And you have not been sent a Notice to Keeper. So remove this:
    The following points may be observed as failures in this Notice to Keeper, making this non-compliant under the POFA 2012, Schedule 4 paragraph 9:

    ...and in fact, remove (completely) your #4 wording entirely as it mentions CP Plus (another firm entirely!) and it quotes para 9 so it's not relevant.

    I think the new appeal point would then be better moved up to become #4 instead. It will read better there. Then renumber #8 to become #7. And make sure your summarised numbers in the introduction are then changed to exactly match the order you end up with below it.

    Where you say you have photos, embed them into the word document at the suitable place where you actually mention that sign. Pictures dotted in the appeal break up the words for POPLA and make it easier to read, better than attaching photos separately IMHO. Just create one pretty document!

    Oh, and do NOT do this too soon! You want to wait till day 28 from the rejection letter, to give UKPC less chance of serving a Notice to Keeper when they read your appeal.

    Save it as a PDF then go to the POPLA website and put in your Nan, the registered keeper's details (but give your email address though, as your Nan won't see emails from POPLA otherwise).

    Attach the PDF appeal under 'OTHER' and do not try to answer the other questions (do not choose things like: 'I didn't see the signs' because that implies who was driving). Make sure your PDF uploads and shows as a little icon. In the box just put 'Please see my full appeal in the attached PDF'.


    So diarise when to submit it, NOT RIGHT NOW.

    Job done. And breathe!
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  • Ok brill thank you.

    So just to make sure, is this correct or do i need to remove more?

    3) Failure to invoke Keeper Liability under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (the POFA).

    As the parking company have neither identified the driver nor provided any evidence as to who the driver was I submit that I am not liable to any charge.

    I would like to point out that Schedule 4 paragraphs 8 and 9 of the Protection of Freedoms Act stipulates that some mandatory information must be included in the Notice to Keeper. If all of this information is not present then the Notice to Keeper is invalid and a parking company can only potentially pursue the (unidentified) driver.

    a. A notice to keeper has never been sent. No transfer of liability from driver to keeper as no NTK issued.

    A Notice to Keeper is a fundamental document in establishing keeper liability. The requirements of Schedule 4 of POFA 2012 and the mandatory detail and wording to ensure a Notice to Keeper is compliant are prescriptive, unequivocal and a matter of statute, not contract law. Any omission or failure to set out or send the mandatory Notice to Keeper renders it non-compliant.

    “(1) A notice which is to be relied on as a notice to keeper for the purposes of paragraph 6(1)(b) is given in accordance with this paragraph if the following requirements are met.
    (2) The notice must—
    (b) inform the keeper that the driver is required to pay parking charges in respect of the specified period of parking and that the parking charges have not been paid in full;
    (e) state that the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver and invite the keeper—
    (i) to pay the unpaid parking charges; or
    (ii) if the keeper was not the driver of the vehicle, to notify the creditor of the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver and to pass the notice on to the driver;
    (f) warn the keeper that if, after the period of 28 days beginning with the day after that on which the notice is given—
    (i) the amount of the unpaid parking charges specified under paragraph (d) has not been paid in full, and
    (ii) the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver,
    the creditor will (if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met) have the right to recover from the keeper so much of that amount as remains unpaid;
    (h) identify the creditor and specify how and to whom payment or notification to the creditor may be made;
    (4) The notice must be given by:
    (b) sending it by post to a current address for service for the keeper so that it is delivered to that address within the relevant period.
    (5) The relevant period for the purposes of sub-paragraph (4) is the period of 14 days beginning with the day after that on which the specified period of parking ended.
    (6) A notice sent by post is to be presumed, unless the contrary is proved, to have been delivered (and so “given” for the purposes of sub-paragraph (4)) on the second working day after the day on which it is posted; and for this purpose “working day” means any day other than a Saturday, Sunday or a public holiday in England and Wales.”

    The NTK fails due to the following reasons:
    The following points (A)-(E) may be observed as flaws in this NTK, making this non-compliant under the POFA 2012:

    (A) The 'period of parking' is not 'specified', only the times the car was seen in traffic on arrival and on the final time it left that day. There's no evidence of parking at all.
    (B) It does not inform the keeper that the driver is required to pay parking charges in respect of the specified period of parking and that the parking charges have not been paid in full;
    (C) It fails to describe any alleged unpaid parking charges “for the specified period of parking” (a period which was not specified). POFA requires that a NTK describes any 'outstanding' 'unpaid' charges which the driver owed as at a time not later than the DAY BEFORE the issue of the postal NTK. The sum for breach of contract cannot be described as ‘unpaid by the driver’ prior to the day the NTK was issued, because it only arises and could be described as 'unpaid', if at all, at/after the time of receipt of the NTK by the keeper. The inflated PCN amount now being pursued for 'breach' should not be confused with the sum intended by Schedule 4 of the POFA, just because it is also - coincidentally, perhaps - called a ‘parking charge’. The timelines are clearly stated in the Act and it is clear that the Act requires any unpaid tariff that the driver owed before the NTK was issued, to be stated - and that this is the only sum that can be pursued from a registered keeper.
    (D) It does not identify the creditor, who could be the landowner, a retailer, a managing agent, or the Operator, or another party. The fact that an Operator's name is on a NTK as the payee, does not 'identify' them as the creditor because administrative functions such as sending notices and collecting monies can be carried out by other parties, such as agents and debt collectors who are never 'the creditor'. This Operator could simply be an administrator, a debt collector only - the creditor could be any other party if not specified here. Such basic detail cannot be assumed. The creditor has to be 'identified' with words to the effect that 'the creditor is...'.
    (E) The NTK fails to show the arrangements for complaints and the geographical address of the client/landowner, since this Operator is an agent . This is a requirement for all consumer contracts since June 2014, in accordance with the Consumer Contracts (Information, Cancellation and Additional Charges) Regs 2013 and also a breach of the POFA not to include full details of such arrangements for complaints.

    The fact that some of this information may be able to be implied by a reader familiar with the legal context of parking does not mean that the NTK is compliant. A NTK is a fundamental document in establishing keeper liability. The requirements of Schedule 4 of POFA2012 as regards the wording in a compliant NTK are prescriptive, unequivocal and a matter of statute, not contract law. Any omission or failure to set out even some of the mandatory NTK wording means there is no 'keeper liability'.

    In this case the driver has not been identified so the charge has no legal basis to be enforced against me.
  • Coupon-mad
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    Remove all the below:
    “(1) A notice which is to be relied on as a notice to keeper for the purposes of paragraph 6(1)(b) is given in accordance with this paragraph if the following requirements are met.
    (2) The notice must—
    (b) inform the keeper that the driver is required to pay parking charges in respect of the specified period of parking and that the parking charges have not been paid in full;
    (e) state that the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver and invite the keeper—
    (i) to pay the unpaid parking charges; or
    (ii) if the keeper was not the driver of the vehicle, to notify the creditor of the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver and to pass the notice on to the driver;
    (f) warn the keeper that if, after the period of 28 days beginning with the day after that on which the notice is given—
    (i) the amount of the unpaid parking charges specified under paragraph (d) has not been paid in full, and
    (ii) the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver,
    the creditor will (if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met) have the right to recover from the keeper so much of that amount as remains unpaid;
    (h) identify the creditor and specify how and to whom payment or notification to the creditor may be made;
    (4) The notice must be given by:
    (b) sending it by post to a current address for service for the keeper so that it is delivered to that address within the relevant period.
    (5) The relevant period for the purposes of sub-paragraph (4) is the period of 14 days beginning with the day after that on which the specified period of parking ended.
    (6) A notice sent by post is to be presumed, unless the contrary is proved, to have been delivered (and so “given” for the purposes of sub-paragraph (4)) on the second working day after the day on which it is posted; and for this purpose “working day” means any day other than a Saturday, Sunday or a public holiday in England and Wales.”

    The NTK fails due to the following reasons:
    The following points (A)-(E) may be observed as flaws in this NTK, making this non-compliant under the POFA 2012:

    (A) The 'period of parking' is not 'specified', only the times the car was seen in traffic on arrival and on the final time it left that day. There's no evidence of parking at all.
    (B) It does not inform the keeper that the driver is required to pay parking charges in respect of the specified period of parking and that the parking charges have not been paid in full;
    (C) It fails to describe any alleged unpaid parking charges “for the specified period of parking” (a period which was not specified). POFA requires that a NTK describes any 'outstanding' 'unpaid' charges which the driver owed as at a time not later than the DAY BEFORE the issue of the postal NTK. The sum for breach of contract cannot be described as ‘unpaid by the driver’ prior to the day the NTK was issued, because it only arises and could be described as 'unpaid', if at all, at/after the time of receipt of the NTK by the keeper. The inflated PCN amount now being pursued for 'breach' should not be confused with the sum intended by Schedule 4 of the POFA, just because it is also - coincidentally, perhaps - called a ‘parking charge’. The timelines are clearly stated in the Act and it is clear that the Act requires any unpaid tariff that the driver owed before the NTK was issued, to be stated - and that this is the only sum that can be pursued from a registered keeper.
    (D) It does not identify the creditor, who could be the landowner, a retailer, a managing agent, or the Operator, or another party. The fact that an Operator's name is on a NTK as the payee, does not 'identify' them as the creditor because administrative functions such as sending notices and collecting monies can be carried out by other parties, such as agents and debt collectors who are never 'the creditor'. This Operator could simply be an administrator, a debt collector only - the creditor could be any other party if not specified here. Such basic detail cannot be assumed. The creditor has to be 'identified' with words to the effect that 'the creditor is...'.
    (E) The NTK fails to show the arrangements for complaints and the geographical address of the client/landowner, since this Operator is an agent . This is a requirement for all consumer contracts since June 2014, in accordance with the Consumer Contracts (Information, Cancellation and Additional Charges) Regs 2013 and also a breach of the POFA not to include full details of such arrangements for complaints.

    The fact that some of this information may be able to be implied by a reader familiar with the legal context of parking does not mean that the NTK is compliant. A NTK is a fundamental document in establishing keeper liability. The requirements of Schedule 4 of POFA2012 as regards the wording in a compliant NTK are prescriptive, unequivocal and a matter of statute, not contract law. Any omission or failure to set out even some of the mandatory NTK wording means there is no 'keeper liability'.

    In this case the driver has not been identified so the charge has no legal basis to be enforced against me.
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  • Brilliant. Thank you very much for your help.

    I will start the appeal on the 27th day.

    I will let you know how I get on!

    Thanks again :)
  • kodiplod
    kodiplod Posts: 69 Forumite
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    Just wanted to say THANK YOU to everyone that helped.

    POPLA came back and said UKPC are not taking things further.

    UKPC 0 - Normal people 1
  • Coupon-mad
    Coupon-mad Posts: 161,814 Forumite
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    Well done!

    Please post a link to this thread in 'POPLA Decisions' for posterity, stating that this was a win against UKPC where they had never sent a NTK.
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