Bath / shower question

Possom

After receiving info here on the forum from a couple of different posters on different threads, I'm intending on purchasing a Hansgrohe Raindance Showerpipe S240mm AIR with S100 hand shower (as below).


This will be set above a bath which will not have traditional taps, but instead a bath filler which is controlled directly from the overflow location (two pics below).

I was wondering do I require anything else in the form of a wall-mounted switch/lever for this setup? Maybe something to switch between them in some way? I'm not sure what precisely, or perhaps no other wall switches/lever/dials are required. Thanks!

jellie

Sorry OP, can't answer your specific question. But have you tried this type of shower? I thought I wanted one until I used one in a hotel. Didn't like it at all. I'm sure you've thought about all the pros and cons though.

Hoploz

I'm not familiar with that type of filler but just to say, I've got an Aqualisa shower with diverter to fill the bath from the waste in that type of arrangement, and I love it! I love the clean look with no taps on the top
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Possom

jellie wrote: »

But have you tried this type of shower? I thought I wanted one until I used one in a hotel. Didn't like it at all.

I haven't used one.

What did you not like about it? Do you mean specifically the fixed overhead shower?

For anyone using it who doesn't like the overhead, it still has a standard hand shower unit which can be used.

Hoploz

To answer your question, it looks as if they both work independently, so will be installed with separate water pipes behind them. The bath filler here has a lever with red and blue on so presumably that works just like a mixer tap, and the shower will too.

No need for any lever switch. That would be what you would have if they worked off the same water supply pipes (as mine does - this is what the diverter does)

burnsguitarman

Without knowing your bathroom layout and if you will be using a shower screen at the filler/shower end. I would think about the reach from the end of the screen to the filler. In ours even though it's a triple fold screen, it is still a far reach. In the end we opted for central side mounted taps. Makes life so much easier.

Hoploz

OP I think on your other thread you said the shower was going to be the opposite end to the tap, is that the case? If so then reaching round the shower screen won't be an issue. But if it is the same end, then good point raised, burnsguitarman.

Actually, thinking about it, this filler tap combo sticks out rather a lot. Presumably this would be at the foot end of the bath, not where you need to lean your back/head? I am imagining if the shower is the opposite end, you might be plagued by drips coming out the shower onto your face when lying trying to relax in the bath!

My filler (doesn't stick out that far &) is also centrally fitted as I have a double ended bath. The shower is also in the middle.

spadoosh

Not exactly sure what your asking or other posters are alluding to but they both will have their own valves.

All your pipes in your house are connected to one inlet.

The bath will turn on and off at the overflow bit. The shower will turn on and off at the handles. You will be able to turn them both on (reduced flow) or have them on independently, you wont need another 'switch' in there.

Ive got a similar design shower and its perfectly fine, when i say fine it does exactly what its supposed to do. The gf loves it, im a bath man.

Im guessing the hotel they where at either had lots of guests using the shower at the same time (quite common) or there was inadequate water pressure to provide much push.

As for tap placement, surely the only place you will put one of these would be the middle of the bath, ie using a twin ended bath and the only practical place to put the shower would be at either end?! Unless you have a ridiculously wide bath?

Wait, sorry, ive just noticed that the bottom pic has the overflow/tap at one end, why would you do that? Not to mention drilling half way down a bath or the lack of sealant around the bath. Be careful with pictures like that, they show it can be done, doesnt mean it should. Put it in the middle.

Possom

Hoploz wrote: »

To answer your question, it looks as if they both work independently, so will be installed with separate water pipes behind them. The bath filler here has a lever with red and blue on so presumably that works just like a mixer tap, and the shower will too.

No need for any lever switch. That would be what you would have if they worked off the same water supply pipes (as mine does - this is what the diverter does)

Okay, thanks for that. Previously there had only been a shower cubicle in my bathroom, so chances are there's only one set of pipes going up to the bathroom. But since the cavity wall will be opened for attaching new plasterboard, it'd probably be easy to install a second set of pipes. One for the bath, one for the shower.

I suppose that would be a better finish than having a lever on the wall to switch between the two...

burnsguitarman wrote: »

Without knowing your bathroom layout and if you will be using a shower screen at the filler/shower end. I would think about the reach from the end of the screen to the filler. In ours even though it's a triple fold screen, it is still a far reach. In the end we opted for central side mounted taps. Makes life so much easier.

My bathroom layout will be as below. The blue rectangle is the location of the shower (on the wall) and the blue dot is the location of the bath mixer (on the bath). Bath has to be 1.40 metres long (not the standard 1.70 metres).



Window comes down low to meet top of bath, so I can't have taps at that end as I want to have a folding internal timber shutter. The shutter would hit against taps if located at the window end. Also, because of the window I can't have a shower screen secured at that end. So it would be a folding screen will have to be positioned at the door end, then opened up towards the window when required.

Hoploz wrote: »

OP I think on your other thread you said the shower was going to be the opposite end to the tap, is that the case? If so then reaching round the shower screen won't be an issue. But if it is the same end, then good point raised, burnsguitarman.

Well spotted Hoploz! I've had a slight change in plans since then which I detailed above.

Hoploz wrote: »

Actually, thinking about it, this filler tap combo sticks out rather a lot. Presumably this would be at the foot end of the bath, not where you need to lean your back/head? I am imagining if the shower is the opposite end, you might be plagued by drips coming out the shower onto your face when lying trying to relax in the bath!

My filler (doesn't stick out that far &) is also centrally fitted as I have a double ended bath. The shower is also in the middle.

The bath filler would be located at the foot end.

spadoosh wrote: »

Not exactly sure what your asking or other posters are alluding to but they both will have their own valves.

All your pipes in your house are connected to one inlet.

The bath will turn on and off at the overflow bit. The shower will turn on and off at the handles. You will be able to turn them both on (reduced flow) or have them on independently, you wont need another 'switch' in there.

I think it's the diverter switch which I had seen on eBay and which Hoploz referred to above. I was wondering if I needed one of those.

spadoosh wrote: »

As for tap placement, surely the only place you will put one of these would be the middle of the bath, ie using a twin ended bath and the only practical place to put the shower would be at either end?! Unless you have a ridiculously wide bath?

I could have a set of taps in the middle but since someone would be standing up in the bath to use the shower, I thought protruding taps would simply get in the way.

However a bath filler could be located on the wall in the middle, but I didn't see any need for this if the bath filler can be located at the overflow.

spadoosh wrote: »

Wait, sorry, ive just noticed that the bottom pic has the overflow/tap at one end, why would you do that? Not to mention drilling half way down a bath or the lack of sealant around the bath. Be careful with pictures like that, they show it can be done, doesnt mean it should. Put it in the middle.

The bath would not require additional drilling as the bath filler would simply slot into the hole for the overflow. It acts both as a bath filler and an overflow.

jellie

Possom wrote: »

I haven't used one.

What did you not like about it? Do you mean specifically the fixed overhead shower?

For anyone using it who doesn't like the overhead, it still has a standard hand shower unit which can be used.

Yes, the fixed overhead - it's because it's directly over your head, so it's not easy to get out of the spray if you want to leave conditioner on, or not wash your hair at all.

Is the standard unit the same as a normal one which isn't attached to a fixed unit? It looks smaller to me and if that's the case, I wouldn't like it as an alternative to the fixed.

andyhop

jellie wrote: »

Yes, the fixed overhead - it's because it's directly over your head, so it's not easy to get out of the spray if you want to leave conditioner on, or not wash your hair at all.

Is the standard unit the same as a normal one which isn't attached to a fixed unit? It looks smaller to me and if that's the case, I wouldn't like it as an alternative to the fixed.

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There's a great invention......your feet. Take a step back,

Shower screens protect on average 850-900mm

Shower arms are generally 290-350mm