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Are there any ethical ppc's? Suggestions please.

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  • No Pugger, there aren't any.

    End of thread...............:-)
  • bargepole
    bargepole Posts: 3,237 Forumite
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    fisherjim wrote: »
    We have a beautiful JL near us, with nice landscaped hillside car parking and not a ppc in site, very near the M40 too.

    But obviously no one who shops there would think of flouting the priviledge anyway!;)

    Yes, I've been to that JL, and also the new Waitrose nearby.

    When the Waitrose opened, it had barriers for entry / exit, and pay machines for those who overstayed or didn't achieve the minimum spend. No PPC involved, all operated in house.

    But they've obviously decided that there wasn't a problem, and now the pay machines are gone, and the barriers fixed permanently open.

    I have been providing assistance, including Lay Representation at Court hearings (current score: won 57, lost 14), to defendants in parking cases for over 5 years. I have an LLB (Hons) degree, and have a Graduate Diploma in Civil Litigation from CILEx. However, any advice given on these forums by me is NOT formal legal advice, and I accept no liability for its accuracy.
  • Umkomaas
    Umkomaas Posts: 43,410 Forumite
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    pugger wrote: »
    A local landowner is looking to ditch their current ppc but would need an ethical ppc to replace them? Doe such a thing actually exist?

    If you're any good at anagrams, here's an anagram to answer your question.

    ON :)
    Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .

    I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.

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  • pugger
    pugger Posts: 138 Forumite
    Lol, and you've highlighted my spelling mistake :-)
  • pugger wrote: »
    A local landowner is looking to ditch their current ppc but would need an ethical ppc to replace them? Doe such a thing actually exist?

    Oxymoron. Neither can exist in the same universe.
    I don't like morning people. Or mornings. Or people.
  • pugger wrote: »
    The issue with bringing it in house will apparently be the cost of the equipment, maintaining it and emptying the machines.
    Well, duh!! So somehow they think that a PPC can do it significantly cheaper? Their costs will be broadly similar (with a bit of economy of scale), but the PPC covers those costs by issuing so many bogus charges.
  • Herzlos
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    pugger wrote: »
    The organisation is fed up with the attitude of the company and it's staff and they realise their presence is having an impact on the local economy. It's mostly p+d with some free time limited parking spaces. The issue with bringing it in house will apparently be the cost of the equipment, maintaining it and emptying the machines. The ppc is getting a decent cut of the p+d tariffs so saving that money alone would probably resolve all those issues and more.

    If it's a p+d car park, the fairest system is a pay on exit - then you can still have free parking, and no-one can over pay or be stung for pretend infractions. You'd maybe need to do something for people parking badly, but that'd maybe extend to billing them for the use of both of the spaces they are taking up.

    The only ethical parking management you'll get is if you actually pay for it and keep any "invoice" revenue yourself - any financial incentive for issuing tickets will also result in abuse.
  • peter_the_piper
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    Some of the cost of installing this will go onto capital expenditure on the accounts so less tax to pay.
    I'd rather be an Optimist and be proved wrong than a Pessimist and be proved right.
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