An Evening With... Jeremy Corbyn

CLAPTON

ruggedtoast wrote: »

If you have schools that self select students based on an arbitrary test the working class ones won't have seen before, and then consign the 80% who fail into holding pens designed to make them feel like failures, they will be failures.

Why won't ordinary children have scene the papers before?
Is that because their socialist teachers spend too much time praising Corbyn and zero time teaching?
Why do you have such a low opinion of primary schools?
Primary schools are well funded and have fully trained teachers supported by teaching assistants (unknown years ago)
So why are they failing in Labour areas?

Why not ask yourself what is wrong with teaching in Labour areas?

More than half the people on here ranting about grammar schools clearly wouldn't have got into one, unless the criteria for passing the 11+ was an inability to spell, capitalise words correctly, or master basic syntax.

elitist snob decrying people who didn't go to the best schools:

There is no average ability child born to wealthy parents in the UK, who turns to the private education system only to be told:

"Your child isn't very bright so there's no point you spending any money on her and even if you did we couldn't educate her beyond being a grunting low class slob anyway."

actually lots of private / public schools have entrance exams

This is fundamentally what the Tories want to inflict on 80% of state school children. Its social engineering designed to disempower the working class and render them ignorant and supine vessels for Murdoch propaganda.

Although I disagree with the introduction of grammar schools, the problem with the UK schools are too much PC socialism and acceptance of poor standards, and not enough emphasism on hard work and achievement. But what can one expect when socialist reward idleness and lack of ambition and unwillingness to get a bus to find work, by wanting to give ever bigger handouts which disempowers the ordinary people to make them supine voting machines for loonies like Corbyn.

ruggedtoast

Corbyn smashes Theresa May in PMQs over grammar school absurdity

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jeremy-corbyn-prime-ministers-questions-he-can-do-it-i-owe-him-an-apology-a7304896.html

The (unelected) PM was left stuttering and red faced as she tried to justify a policy that isn't even popular in her own party.

CLAPTON

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Corbyn smashes Theresa May in PMQs over grammar school absurdity

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jeremy-corbyn-prime-ministers-questions-he-can-do-it-i-owe-him-an-apology-a7304896.html

The (unelected) PM was left stuttering and red faced as she tried to justify a policy that isn't even popular in her own party.

why don't you simply apologise to those people your sneered at because they didn't get an excellent education and didn't learn as much grammar as you.

Or (unlikely ) you could try to explain why children in Labour boroughs do worse in school than those in Tory lead ones or even post something positive.

westernpromise

Great stuff, toastie!

Those 50 to 60 Tory seats are going to fall like ripe plums now, eh?

Labour majority in 2020?

Conrad

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Corbyn smashes Theresa May in PMQs over grammar school absurdity

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jeremy-corbyn-prime-ministers-questions-he-can-do-it-i-owe-him-an-apology-a7304896.html

The (unelected) PM was left stuttering and red faced as she tried to justify a policy that isn't even popular in her own party.

Corbyn's best PMQ's IMO, in terms of his delivery and confidence and he looked very smart and sharp.


I'm listening to all the arguments on this new version of Grammars before coming to a settled view.
On the one hand I'm concerned the pointy elbowed middle classes will hogg the access, but on the other I do see social mobility is very poor now and pointy elbowed middle classes capture the best local schools by way of house price and private tutoring


Any new system must ensure genuine access for all and not just be based on a test that middle class parents kids will pass by way of extra paid for test tutoring.


Nicky Morgans argument is to me way too abstract and pie in the sky. She says we need great schools for all, but that's like saying we must have a rainbow at the end of every garden, it will never happen.


Lefty liberal middle class parents around me go to lengths to entrench privilege within their kids and oil the access routes into things seemingly closed to non posh people. Acting for example seems a closed shop for the posh in London these days. No matter how socialist luvvie their narrative may be, their actions are self serving and exclusive

Fella

Conrad wrote: »

Corbyn's best PMQ's IMO, in terms of his delivery and confidence and he looked very smart and sharp.

It's been hailed as his best PMQs & may have been but let's keep it in perspective. He's probably the worst there has ever been so his "best" isn't saying much. As for Corbyn "smashing" May, the reality is neither of them were impressive. A dreadful leader of the opposition laying into an unproven & potentially poor PM with a reasonably open goal in front of him.

ruggedtoast

May's swagger was knocked out from under her.

She will be dreading the next PMQs.

So far the Corbyn juggernaut has seen off the Blairites, Hilary Benn, Angela Eagle, David Cameron, and it is presently crushing Owen Smith and Theresa May.

Filo25

ruggedtoast wrote: »

May's swagger was knocked out from under her.

She will be dreading the next PMQs.

So far the Corbyn juggernaut has seen off the Blairites, Hilary Benn, Angela Eagle, David Cameron, and it is presently crushing Owen Smith and Theresa May.

So you reckon the UK is ready for a self proclaimed Marxist as Chancellor then, RT?

CLAPTON

ruggedtoast wrote: »

May's swagger was knocked out from under her.

She will be dreading the next PMQs.

So far the Corbyn juggernaut has seen off the Blairites, Hilary Benn, Angela Eagle, David Cameron, and it is presently crushing Owen Smith and Theresa May.

whilst we are all await May's resignation due to the terror of facing the IRA loving trot Corbyn, why don't you do something positive

why don't you simply apologise to those people your sneered at because they didn't get an excellent education and didn't learn as much grammar as you.

Or (unlikely ) you could try to explain why children in Labour boroughs do worse in school than those in Tory lead ones or even post something positive.

ruggedtoast

CLAPTON wrote: »

whilst we are all await May's resignation due to the terror of facing the IRA loving trot Corbyn, why don't you do something positive

It's because people don't tend to vote for the oppressor, Clapton.