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  • CLAPTON
    CLAPTON Posts: 41,865 Forumite
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    BobQ wrote: »
    The point is that the unions are less powerful than when the railways were last publically owned. It is not unreasonable for a workforce to resist changes that will abolsh their jobs, it is human nature. Blaming the unions is too easy, it is the staff that object and the unions are just the means through which they do it.

    But staff cannot resist change for ever. If the trains are designed not to have driving cabs then there is little the staff can do about it.


    nevertheless, the sole and only reason we don't have more driverless trains, is the vice like grip the unions have
  • setmefree2
    setmefree2 Posts: 9,072 Forumite
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    edited 29 August 2016 at 2:16PM
    BobQ wrote: »
    On the whole I prefer not to use trains and have to agree that being treated like cattle is a most unpleasant experience. Why people choose to waste their life commuting has always bemused me. I realise that some do have no choice but some do and still choose to commute.

    My experience is that trains are mostly on time but the experience is stressful. If the trains are also late I can see it makes the experience even worse. But what is the solution?

    I guess you will say re-nationalisation? If we could afford it I am not opposed to that but I doubt that will solve the problem. I probably travel more on European trains and they seem to sped less time cultivating an image and more on delivering a cost effective service.

    I love trains (UK, Europe & US) and will always use them over the motorway (which I really hate)....100% relaxing journey versus 100% stressful driving journey...no brainer for me....never felt like cattle on a train...the exact opposite...
  • michaels
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    If you want to be driven around at high speed by Windows 7 then be my guest. I think most of us would pass.
    I guess you have steered clear of the dlr and passenger aircraft then.
    I think....
  • BobQ
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    edited 29 August 2016 at 6:54PM
    If you want to be driven around at high speed by Windows 7 then be my guest. I think most of us would pass.

    I do not want to be driven by Windows anything, but it is possible to do this. One day the time will be judged right to do this. Hopefully the decision will be made based on it being safe, although I suspect it will be kneejerk reacation to industrial action.
    Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.
  • BobQ
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    CLAPTON wrote: »
    nevertheless, the sole and only reason we don't have more driverless trains, is the vice like grip the unions have

    An opinion but not one I share. As I say it is not "the unions", it is the reaction of staff to the changes being imposed on them. The train companies will introduce driverness trains once they have demonstrated the various levels of automation they continue to adopt.
    Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.
  • BobQ
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    mwpt wrote: »
    Automation will continue and computers will be doing more and more jobs. Luddites will continue to deny it but it will happen. The end.

    I agree, but the last thing they will want is to adopt driverless trains and then have a serious accident involving computer failure causing loss of life. This is one of the reasons we keep pilots on passenger aircraft. They will keep improving the automation on trains as you say.
    Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.
  • ruggedtoast
    ruggedtoast Posts: 9,819 Forumite
    And this is just perfect. While Jeremy is fighting for internet equality, Owen Smith is joking about having a 29 inch penis and gloating that he has denied hundreds of thousands of members their right to vote him out.

    The Parliamentary Labour Party really get my goat.
  • ruggedtoast
    ruggedtoast Posts: 9,819 Forumite
    michaels wrote: »
    I guess you have steered clear of the dlr and passenger aircraft then.

    The DLR goes at 23 miles an hour and has an operator.

    Planes have a flight crew that can take over all the automated systems.
  • Thrugelmir
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    BobQ wrote: »
    The point is that the unions are less powerful than when the railways were last publically owned.

    Recent activity would suggest still as disruptive. Just been quieter. Jumped on the JC bandwagon. As have influence again.
  • CLAPTON
    CLAPTON Posts: 41,865 Forumite
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    BobQ wrote: »
    An opinion but not one I share. As I say it is not "the unions", it is the reaction of staff to the changes being imposed on them. The train companies will introduce driverness trains once they have demonstrated the various levels of automation they continue to adopt.

    strikes are called even when less than half the staff 'react to the change being imposed'
    they are called by the unions

    but you probably think that the miners strike was called by staff reacting to changes imposed
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