PCN for Stopping on a roadway where stopping is prohibited

Redx

they are clearly NOT advising on the law relating to POFA2012 and hire cars (only private cars)

read the last paragraph and links of post #1 of the NEWBIES sticky thread , because you are mixing up the meaning of "your car" (this isnt your car, its owned by a hire company)

POFA2012 is the law , some paragraphs of which relate to hire cars

ps:- DVLA ruling on "stopping"

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5258973

esmerobbo explains the SPEKE honeytrap here

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/4886987

pappa_golf

Feeling_Very_Grumpy wrote: »

Thank you Redx. The Citizens Advice states "If you get a ticket after information is captured on CCTV and it's more than 14 days later ... If your car is captured on CCTV, an ATA parking company must by law get a parking ticket to you within 14 days, starting from the day after the parking incident took place. If you know you got the ticket later than this, you may be able to challenge the ticket for this reason." In my case the alleged offence was on 23 June, it's now 12 July and they haven't got the ticket to me because they don't know who I am . The only people they have contacted so far are my lease company. They have not yet directly written to my employer.

NO , they have to get a ticket (ANPR) to the name on the v5 within 14 days , the lease Co (in this case) have 28 days to write back to VCS then get (I think) 28 days to send YOU the ticket


however they do not rely on POFa , and are skipping the rules setup in 2012 , that state that if they do not follow them , then they can only chase the driver - you in this case as it has ended there . the lease co cannot say you were the driver , only that you were the keeper at the time


this airport scam has been going on for yrs , VCS pay JLA £25,000 per yr for permission to issue tickets , at the airport its been proved that the land comes under bylaws , if they ever take a case to court they will loose , the press will hear and the game will be up !
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Coupon-mad

Feeling_Very_Grumpy wrote: »

Yes, it's VCS! I think I will pursue this further with Citizens Advice they clearly don't make the distinction between IPC and the other body (sorry can't recall their name) - but they are advising on the law (or not). Thanks for your help

No, it's not a question of the CAB not making a distinction between IPC and BPA members. It is that the CAB thinks that all PPCs have to comply with the POFA - yet they do NOT!

The CAB should not be saying that a postal PCN issued by CCTv or ANPR 'must' arrive by day 14 because it doesn't have to. The difference is simply that a late one is a PCN for a driver only, a non-POFA version. Like VCS ones. We see these all the time.

Surely, though, I should be taking into account the fact that they have not proved I was stopped (by sending a single photograph of a car travelling down a road) - I was not sitting outside on a deckchair.

Now I am worried you are going to write something like that! This is why I wrote a template, to stop people writing 'I'! Easier to just use the template, believe me.

Do they not need to be providing CCTV evidence from at least two time points showing that the vehicle had not moved during that period and should I not be asking for this when I write to seek further information?

No, they don't have to. You could ask, but do not write 'me' or 'I' about the car being stopped or not. Sorry to repeat myself but it really is easier to just use the template, believe me! Remember that the challenge is only a means to an end, to look reasonable if you have to fight this in small claims later, so there is no need to over-think it and try to make it perfect for your case. VCS don't care. They will NOT cancel.

And again, what do I do about the fact that they have not yet contacted my employer (or me) directly

If the lease firm has provided your name and address as lessee/hirer of the vehicle then wait till VCS write and sent YOU a PCN. If the lease firm has NOT written to VCS but merely wants to pass you the PCN to appeal, then get it from the lease firm asap and then send the template appeal, tweaked to suit (e.g. if it says 'car park' - which I can't recall if it does - then change that, but not much else).

Submit the appeal by email INCLUDING YOUR POSTAL ADDRESS...PEOPLE ALWAYS FORGET THAT EVEN THOUGH THE PCN DEMANDS IT! and expect to get a standard acknowledgement ping straight back (please, we don't need to see it!) then a rejection letter or email - 100% certain.

Then SIT TIGHT unless court papers arrive within the six years possible to pursue it. Quietly collect all letters, keep them all and just laugh at the debt collector letter chain, as covered in this thread:

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5035663

so the 14 day CCTV evidence period will be up? Is that not grounds for appeal in itself?

No because that's all about POFA PCNs. This is a non-POFA (driver liability only) PCN and the ONLY important thing in all of this is not to tell them who the driver was, for obvious reasons of staying untouchable as 'the keeper'.

Redx

chances are this is speke business park, near JLA, using a similar camera car to the JLA one

and the sticky thread says 21 days after the lease company notify VCS who the hirer was

edna basher is the main expert on this aspect of hire liability

VCS are unlikely to be following POFA2012 anyway