PCN for Stopping on a roadway where stopping is prohibited

Feeling_Very_Grumpy

This a little different from previous posts, but would appreciate any help or advice. I have a lease car as my work vehicle. The lease company has sent my employer a copy of a PCN notice they have received from an IPC accredited operator, stating that my vehicle has breached the terms and conditions of use of a a Privately Operated Access Road - reason for contravention being "Stopping on a roadway where stopping is prohibited". They have provided a very poor copy of CCTV images showing my vehicle travelling on a road at a certain time of day. The alleged incident is on a large retail/business park and a precise location has not been provided. There is also only one photograph showing a time of alleged offence. Surely to prove I was parked, there should be at least two photographs proving that I was in the same place for at least one minute. I certainly do not recall parking in that area. Please note that nothing was placed on my vehicle - the only evidence provided is a single CCTV footage extract. My employer has not yet received the PCN directly from the accredited operator, so we are not officially aware of the alleged incident - and I believe there is a 14 day rule over CCTV evidence? Any thoughts??

Quentin

Assuming you want to deal with this yourself then you need to make sure neither your employer nor the lease company take it on themselves to pay (then get it off you)


Read up all about how to deal with this (and how to make sure you take it over from these other parties) in the newbies faq thread towards the top of the forum

Feeling_Very_Grumpy

Thank you for your reply. No, the lease company are not going to pay - they have simply advised us that the Parking Operator has been passed our details. My employer is not going to pay either. Which template would be best to use? Surely for CCTV footage alleging unauthorised stopping they must provide photographs showing I was in the same place for a certain period of time (which I was not)

Umkomaas

Speke Business Park and Vehicle Control Services?

Quentin

Feeling_Very_Grumpy wrote: »

Which template would be best to use?...

All set out in the newbies FAQ thread.


(You send the template appropriate to which association the PPC belong to.)

Feeling_Very_Grumpy

Sorry, but I don't think the templates are right for my situation. I was not in a parking space, so there were no applicable fees for a provided service, so I can't say they are disproportionate. It was alleged that I was "Stopped on a roadway where stopping is prohibited " (ie a privately operated access road).

Umkomaas

Nothing you can write to an IPC operator (nor to their second stage appeal provider, the IAS) will get you anywhere, no matter what you write.

You can take the advice of regulars with eons of experience between them of this complex stuff, or you can decide to argue the toss with them, then do your own thing - your choice. But I know what I'd do in your place!

Quentin

Feeling_Very_Grumpy wrote: »

Sorry, but I don't think the templates are right for my situation. I was not in a parking space, so there were no applicable fees for a provided service, so I can't say they are disproportionate. It was alleged that I was "Stopped on a roadway where stopping is prohibited " (ie a privately operated access road).

Its your call then. Why argue you are a special case?


If you have read the FAQ you'll know appealing has no prospect of winning, and is more an exercise to demonstrate you have not ignored the issue!

Feeling_Very_Grumpy

Well - I find your response amazing, Quentin. If you are truly saying that there is no point in appealing, what is the purpose of this thread in the forum - and of sending any letters at all? A waste of time and waste of a stamp. Why not just take this section of the forum down and advise people to part with their cash instead?

Umkomaas

Why not just take this section of the forum down and advise people to part with their cash instead?

Where has anyone said 'part with your cash'? You need to calm down and do a bit of reading. We're trying to help you here, yet you seem intent on biting the hand that willingly (and for free) feeds you!

You're certainly starting to live up to your forum name! :rotfl:

Feeling_Very_Grumpy

Ha - believe me that's the last thing I want to do and I thank you both for your (free) advice so far. But ........ you have said "Nothing you can write to an IPC operator (nor to their second stage appeal provider, the IAS) will get you anywhere" and Quentin said "appealing has no prospect of winning" - are you now changing your minds? Sorry - I don't understand - what are you suggesting then, other than part with my cash? I am calm and have been reading - I did a lot of reading on the forum before I started a new thread (which I know is discouraged). I started the thread because (a) the majority of the previous threads related to parking fines - my alleged offence is for stopping not parking (b) because I have not actually received the PCN from the operator (just a copy via my lease company who have sent it to my employer) - do I sit back and wait to see if something arrives (bearing in mind that there is a reduced penalty if I appeal within 14 days, or what? (c) I have read on the Citizens Advice Bureau website that the law relating to CCTV evidence states that you should be advised of any offences within 14 days from the day after the offence took place (which I have not been in my case). This is why I consider that the matter is slightly different from others and that the one size fits all template letter may not be appropriate.