THE Prepping thread - a new beginning :)

Karmacat

rainbow, I think it *is* stockpiling - minimal, probably 72 hours to a week, which preppers as such will have anyway. I intend stockpiling the little luxuries - big glass jars of olives, my preferred pesto, that sort of thing The basics are available in this country, though I expect prices will rise. Somebody pointed out the other day that savings are at best 1.3% p.a., so if prices go up by 3% (and some of them at basic level are already going up more than that) you're on a winner.

DigForVictory

My sons used to grouse about cans being in the way, heavy to lug etc.

I cooked a meal, then pulled out a bank statement & a couple of till receipts. Even they could manage the maths when hauled though it by the scruff, though having fed them first they were more willing to listen.

I have some savings in a bank account & quite a bit more in foodstuffs. If it weren't for three hungry lads, I'd be rich!

mardatha

http://www.thenational.scot/news/16366321.brexit-could-mean-a-return-to-food-rationing/

ziggy2004

The cynic in me wonders if they will use brexit as an excuse to give people vouchers instead of money for any kind of benefits received.

I usually run my pantry down over winter to balance the extra heating costs and start restocking again in spring but I am increasing the amount stored and will keep it at a more comfortable level. We are quite rural and shops run out fast here if something happens ( we had empty shops with the snow in January and I smugly baked my own bread and avoided the bun fight).

Whatever we will be told to do will be minimalist, I think the 9 meals from anarchy message is one that the government will keep in mind and I expect they will have plans to distribute food if needed but also have plans to make sure it does not come to that. Quite honestly I would rather have my own supplies than count on the current UK government to rescue us.

r.a.i.n.b.o.w

Thanks for the replies, I did have a feeling that it might be food/stocking up related, but also thought surely they want to avoid panic buying? But hey, if it's gonna happen...


I'm only part way through reading the thread and as thus I am relatively new to emergency prepping (although at 40+ with 2 grown children, I do have a wealth of common sense and experience behind me), but I feel a heightened sense of urgency to get a SHTF store cupboard going (and I know exactly which cupboard I'm going to convert for it )...


So, forgive me if this has already been covered, but where to start for a potential 72 hours' supermarkets empty panic buying frenzy avoidance plan? I figure bread and milk will be the first to disappear. But...what then? What else?




(PS: I do want to eventually be properly prepped for future and further emergencies and SHTF situations, I'm not just here for a quick 72 hours prep, but it's as good a place as any to start, I guess )

maryb

The more I think about that article about Professor Tim Lang, the more I think it's completely unrealistic to assume we woul be cut off from every last bit of that 41% on a permanent basis and yet that seems to be what he is implying when he says we'd have to stop feeding cereals to cattle to have enough bread.

Disruption yes, but French farmers ain't gonna be happy if they can't sell their produce and they have ways of making their feelings known

GreyQueen

maryb wrote: »

The more I think about that article about Professor Tim Lang, the more I think it's completely unrealistic to assume we woul be cut off from every last bit of that 41% on a permanent basis and yet that seems to be what he is implying when he says we'd have to stop feeding cereals to cattle to have enough bread.

Disruption yes, but French farmers ain't gonna be happy if they can't sell their produce and they have ways of making their feelings known

:T Exactly my thought. Trade is a two way street. The growers and suppliers in the EU states cannot just lose access to a wealthy market of 66 million + (including a fair few of their own countrymen, let us not forget).


If you have groves of olive trees/ citrus in Spain or Greece, you produce far more than the domestic market can consume. Ditto those Dutch flowertrucks I see on our street most early mornings, and so many other things. And all that cropland devoted to veggies and prodiuce for export. Not to mention the vinyards, the dairies, the tourism, the breweries..........

Will EU countries suddenly shun the produce of these shores? Or allow us to shun theirs? I think not. If their grubbyments threaten to bankrupt their own countrymen by instigating tariffs and bans, well .... uneasy lies the head that wears the crown, hey? Big business (and a lot of big business can buy governments out of pocket change) ain't gonna allow it.

Fresh produce is one thing but most of our manufactured goods are sourced well outside the EU (as are theirs) *nods towards China etc*.

Governments have always tried to stick the oar into Trade, with tariffs and proscriptions and all sorts of nonsense. It was true 2,000 +years ago and is true today.

Governments sit in offices and write laws, rules and regs. As soon as these pronouncements escape into the real world, tens if not hundreds of millions of other brains start whirring furiously and working out all the workarounds. If I'd had to bet the brainpower of a bureacracy against the brainpower of its citizenry, I know where I'd put my shilling, frankly!:rotfl:

We all do it at our own level. We hear news of some of change and sort it hastily into Affects Me/ Doesn't Affect Me and then into To My Benefit/ To My Detriment then we segue smoothly into The Workaround, screened for varous degrees of legality and illegality and the various probabilities of being caught out and the consequences of same.

On the plus side, due to her maj's government making a LOT of their tax inspectors redundant and closing lots of offices, of doing away with a lot of DWP fraud investigators, the scarcity of coastguards and turning of the thin blue line into a statistical-gathering operation, it's never been easier to Get Away With Things.

I'll call their bluff and suggest they Bring it On - and watch country after country vote themselves out of the EU and tell J uncker & Co to stick it where the sun don't shine. :beer:

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Mr Trump is this afternoon offering to extend his increase of tariff to all Chinese imports to the USA and is being his usual charming self to the EU so I think when Brexit happens there will be very many nations more than willing to trade with the UK including some of the European countries if they're allowed to because the US will have virtually removed itself from the world in respect of trade. You can't expect trade to continue under that set of circumstances and they'll really want to keep their economies turning over so the UK might be a reasonable prospect?

GreyQueen

A lot of the stuff coming out of the EU sounds like the threats of a spouse in an abusive relationship.


You can't leave because I WON'T LET YOU. If you do leave YOU'LL NOT GET A PENNY OUT OF ME! and YOU'LL NEVER SEE THE CHILDREN AGAIN and YOU'LL STARVE BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SUPPORT YOURSELF. Etcetera etcetera etcetera.


I nearly choked on my tea, I was laughing so hard, when reading the the Irish president might not allow British craft to overfly Eire. Really?! Will he be sending up their airforce to escort a NewYork-bound airliner well out into the North Atlantic or just launching the surface-to-air missiles? :rotfl:

Karmacat

r.a.i.n.b.o.w wrote: »

Thanks for the replies, I did have a feeling that it might be food/stocking up related, but also thought surely they want to avoid panic buying? But hey, if it's gonna happen...


I'm only part way through reading the thread and as thus I am relatively new to emergency prepping (although at 40+ with 2 grown children, I do have a wealth of common sense and experience behind me), but I feel a heightened sense of urgency to get a SHTF store cupboard going (and I know exactly which cupboard I'm going to convert for it )...

So, forgive me if this has already been covered, but where to start for a potential 72 hours' supermarkets empty panic buying frenzy avoidance plan? I figure bread and milk will be the first to disappear. But...what then? What else?

(PS: I do want to eventually be properly prepped for future and further emergencies and SHTF situations, I'm not just here for a quick 72 hours prep, but it's as good a place as any to start, I guess )

Easy cook foods, rainbow, ones that you'll actually eat. Tins of food, and dried foods - plus things that don't take much to cook, like pasta.

maryb wrote: »

The more I think about that article about Professor Tim Lang, the more I think it's completely unrealistic to assume we woul be cut off from every last bit of that 41% on a permanent basis and yet that seems to be what he is implying when he says we'd have to stop feeding cereals to cattle to have enough bread.

I'm sure it won't be permanent - as GQ says below, everyone has too much invested in the trading relationship. But I can believe there'll be disruption. And if it was a really bad year and our farmers had used up a lot of their animal feed (which they have at the moment, remember, cos of the drought) there might be disruption on the animal feed too, until reality dawns.

GreyQueen wrote: »

:T Exactly my thought. Trade is a two way street. The growers and suppliers in the EU states cannot just lose access to a wealthy market of 66 million + (including a fair few of their own countrymen, let us not forget).

:T:T:T