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I'm simply trying to understand what Leave voters think comes next. You guys won the vote fair and square so what happens now? What's the plan? What is the future that you see for the UK.
It doesn't seem to be an unreasonable question.
What's the plan?
Did Generali ever get an answer to his question?
I would love to know the plan too
Is it to use WTO rules?
Is it have access to the single market?
Will be be in the EEA or trading with it under WTO rules?
Will it be like Norway? (all goods and services)
Will it be like Switzerland? (some goods and services)
Will it be like Canada? (goods but no services)?
Is it just to have a little control of immigration? Or total control?
Is it to have Freedom to Work if you have a job or Freedom to look for a job?
Under this points system will be allow unskilled farm workers to enter or watch the harvest rot? Or we only allow scarce skills?
The plan seems to involve making it up as you go along?
Gove now says "not this calendar year"which means we will be in for another 3 years, as all concerned will want it to finish at the end of the calendar year?
Or maybe Johnson will have wangled his way back into the cabinet fresh from his Damascene conversion to the EU and lead us all to the promised land?
Maybe Leave have realised they have so undermined this country that they are conniving with May to get a reason for another referendum. Is that Plan B?
I too am amazed that we have reached this point without a plan?
"A goal without a plan is just a wish!"Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
I heard back from Stan - there is no plan.
It would be funny, if it wasn't so tragic, that Conservative party members have a bigger influence on what the plan will be than the wider electorate.
£25 to join looks like good value for the influence it buys0 -
Michael Gove said today that his plan is to leave the single market.
He also seems to believe that Britain doesn't need financial services and big business:In our own country far too often the rewards have gone not to risk takers and job creators but insiders in our financial system and big business who have rigged the market in their interests.
No details on what trade deal we should pursue with the EU or what should replace the London economy though.0 -
I heard back from Stan - there is no plan.
It would be funny, if it wasn't so tragic, that Conservative party members have a bigger influence on what the plan will be than the wider electorate.
£25 to join looks like good value for the influence it buys
Join both parties and vote against the potential leaders you want to see less of in the media!0 -
Join both parties and vote against the potential leaders you want to see less of in the media!
As soon as Cameron resigned I looked at joining the Conservative party to buy a £25 vote but it's already too late for this leadership campaign.
Only £3 to join Labour though.
Joined neither and I'm glad really. I've never understood why people support political parties as if they're football teams.0 -
As soon as Cameron resigned I looked at joining the Conservative party to buy a £25 vote but it's already too late for this leadership campaign.
Only £3 to join Labour though.
Joined neither and I'm glad really. I've never understood why people support political parties as if they're football teams.
you're no really into democracy very much are you0 -
you're no really into democracy very much are you
In case you didn't know I'm not very happy about the result of the referendum but I've been perfectly clear that the result should be respected and implemented. We were asked one question - should we leave the EU? The result was clear and we must now leave the EU.
However, if you think I won't do what, albeit, little I can to shape the future into what I think is best for my family and friends you're mistaken. If I think that future is better with May as the next PM rather than Gove then don't be surprised if I investigate what options I have to influence that result.0 -
I'm surprise you don't understand about democracy and powerful elites and indifference to ordinary people's concerns. That you don't understand why labour would never give the people a vote nor LibDems and why these people fully intend to refuse to implement the people's decision using any method they can.
Why do you support this shocking behaviour?
Is it shocking behaviour? Political systems evolve over time and we seem to have reached representative democracy. It works at the moment but doesn't always result in the best outcomes for everyone. If you went for super duper democracy where the population gets to vote on every issue, you'd have your ultimate democracy and I imagine it would be a disaster. So why is this particular issue any different? It is perfectly possible, and in my view very probable, that the people have voted for an outcome here that will make most worse off.0 -
Michael Gove said today that his plan is to leave the single market.
He also seems to believe that Britain doesn't need financial services and big business:
No details on what trade deal we should pursue with the EU or what should replace the London economy though.
I'd prefer Gove. Think he makes a lot of sense. Current odds now 20/1 though due to his perceived treachery of Boris.
Leadsom making lots of people sit up and take notice - and she's a Leaver. Looks like a run off between her and May.If I don't reply to your post,
you're probably on my ignore list.0
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