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Aliliva

justme111 wrote: »

Some stuff would be more expensive, some stuff cheaper ( as I understand we had to tax non eu countries imports)

Some stuff might be cheaper...but I assume the UK will keep on taxing non-EU countries, as well as taxing EU ones, given that's the only way not to be overflown by chinese and indian products.

Anyway, @rubuhoeikanaika has given a very comprehensive answer to why the common market is an upside not only from a free-trading point of view...unfortunately it looks like none of the politicians considered explaining things in such a simple way before the referendum

Aliliva , shengen multi entry long term (5/10 years) visa should be an easy answer

with my skill I can probably work all over the world (as I'm doing literally right now, just paid by a UK company), so not really worried about myself :beer: it'll be just a matter of filling in more annoying paperwork.
I just feel sorry for ppl just 5/10 years younger than me who might not be able to enjoy the freedom of movement I had. But given the number of under 25 who bothered to vote, probably this issue is not a top priority for young brits (and I totally respect that)

CLAPTON

Aliliva wrote: »

I could have got it wrong, but if the EU is not in charge of trade agreements with the US why is the EU as a whole negotiating the TTIP with them?

Every country in the EU can export with however they like on the terms agreed with that particular country.
Imports are restricted by the EU common set of tariff and non tariff barriers.

The EU is trying to negotiate a broader trade agreement with USA (TTIP), especially in services on behalf of all members of the EU.
If this is agree then all members would have to abide by the agreement for better or worse. It is unclear whether this will ever be agreed.

CLAPTON

justme111 wrote: »

Right. So we can trade both with other nations and EU , just that with EU it will be taxed. So whoever is crying the end of the world because we can not trade with europe without free movement is being either deliberately misleading or ignorant so scaremongering continues.
I suppose if it will be taxed part of that tax is going to go to British government as well. Every change creates winners and losers. British architects will not be able to work in europe with same ease but British dentists will not have the same scale of competition from EU trained ones that driven income down by a third. Some stuff would be more expensive, some stuff cheaper ( as I understand we had to tax non eu countries imports)
Aliliva , shengen multi entry long term (5/10 years) visa should be an easy answer

no, but you will have to apologise before I explain further.

justme111

Aliliva wrote: »

I just feel sorry for ppl just 5/10 years younger than me who might not be able to enjoy the freedom of movement I had. But given the number of under 25 who bothered to vote, probably this issue is not a top priority for young brits (and I totally respect that

Buy they may enjoy being able to afford a house and not paying taxes for prison maintenance of terrorists Britain is unable to deport.
Indeed the poster you referred to explained it very well. It would not have changed my intention to vote out though. Some things are more important to me than easy trade.
Who am I to say what is more important or better on a society level.
Just pointing out there are upsides apart from downsides
Mind , it looks like with with politicians squabbling and establishment wanting to stay in ( after all this establishment been created by present conditions so wants to preserve them) they will try to ignore the results by hook or crook.

rubuhoeikanaika

justme111 wrote: »

... whoever is crying the end of the world because we can not trade with europe without free movement is being either deliberately misleading or ignorant so scaremongering continues. ...

I think you are underestimating the scale of the challenge. In goods like cars, you are probably right. But in some services, it really will be a closed door if we leave the single market.

Not to mention that a huge proportion of industry in Britain is foreign-owned. If they decide to up sticks and leave to the single market, then sure it might help some domestic industries to arise in the long run, but in the short term a lot of people will be absolutely screwed. (Think Port Talbot x100.)

Britain joined the EEC in 1973 because it seemed to be in an economic death spiral. Anybody who tells you with certainty what will happen if it leaves the single market better have a crystal ball, but it's not just 'scaremongering' to say that things could get that bad again. Not to mention that a lot of our prosperity for the past 30 years has depended on oil revenues which successive governments starting with Thatcher simply spent, rather than saving. Now oil is cheap and the reserves are running out, the country could be in real trouble.

westernpromise

Aliliva wrote: »

But they see their products taxed and they tax our products

Quite so. If you buy something off eBay from China or the USA or Japan, import duty is payable. Some such shipments are opened and detained by Customs pending the recipient paying the duty.

Among the 28 this does not happen.

rubuhoeikanaika

westernpromise wrote: »

Quite so. If you buy something off eBay from China or the USA or Japan, import duty is payable. Some such shipments are opened and detained by Customs pending the recipient paying the duty.

Among the 28 this does not happen.

More than just the 28 - doesn't happen amongst any of the EEA members.

This is why we'd need border checkpoints at the Irish border if we left the EEA, btw.

justme111

They could get bad indeed even long term. Short term it is almost certainly they will imo.
EU with legislation that would take house of commons 3 years to untangle(as sad by remain supporter, no idea whether it is truth but might be), with ever expanding remit , Turkey joining and task of keep in the same union Germany and Greece could get bad as well.

I do not have clear idea of the challenge indeed. As a result of this thread I just know that "no free movement =no trade " is not true