End of the EU Directive

unholyangel

JReacher1 wrote: »

A large majority of leavers voted to leave because they were concerned about immigration and the free movement of people.

I would be very surprised if the TTP allowed free movement of citizens between EU and US so if we did have a similar trade agreement to this most people would be happy.

We may not be as big as the US but we are a large advanced economy on the EU's doorstep and the EU will not deliberately damage their own economies to get some petty revenge on the UK.

What TTIP does allow them to do is bid on contracts like EU ones do. Its why most people were against TTIP as it would then result in our NHS being privatised to US companies and that would lead to job losses.

And you're missing the point. When they're about to finalise a deal with the biggest economy in the world and if scotland & NI leave the UK (and join the EU)......what incentive is there for EU to do a deal with the remaining UK (that now has a negative rating from moodys and has been overtaken by france in strongest economies overnight) that is more beneficial to the UK than being in the EU? Answer: Little/no incentive.

I repeat, imo we are not going to get a better deal being out of the EU than what we got being in the EU.

JReacher1

unholyangel wrote: »

What TTIP does allow them to do is bid on contracts like EU ones do. Its why most people were against TTIP as it would then result in our NHS being privatised to US companies and that would lead to job losses.

And you're missing the point. When they're about to finalise a deal with the biggest economy in the world and if scotland & NI leave the UK (and join the EU)......what incentive is there for EU to do a deal with the remaining UK (that now has a negative rating from moodys and has been overtaken by france in strongest economies overnight) that is more beneficial to the UK than being in the EU? Answer: Little/no incentive.

I repeat, imo we are not going to get a better deal being out of the EU than what we got being in the EU.

Don't be ridiculous. The French economy has not overtaken the UK one just because we have left the EU. It shows a basic lack of economic understanding if you think just because the pound dropped the French economy is now stronger than ours! That was just a line in the press peddled by the pro remain lobby.

Although I voted remain and am disappointed by the result it's people like you with the project fear argument that meant we lost this referendum. Instead of all your doom and gloom (with no evidence to back it up) we should now be looking at the strength of the U.K economy and be aware that we will still thrive as a country even being outside the EU

unholyangel

JReacher1 wrote: »

Don't be ridiculous. The French economy has not overtaken the UK one just because we have left the EU. It shows a basic lack of economic understanding if you think just because the pound dropped the French economy is now stronger than ours! That was just a line in the press peddled by the pro remain lobby.

Although I voted remain and am disappointed by the result it's people like you with the project fear argument that meant we lost this referendum. Instead of all your doom and gloom (with no evidence to back it up) we should now be looking at the strength of the U.K economy and be aware that we will still thrive as a country even being outside the EU

Shows a basic lack of economic understanding lol. You didn't tell me you were a comedian but you must be if you dont realise the knock on effects the crash in £ value & stock market has as well as private investors being less likely to invest etc.

And this wasn't a remain argument (at least not that I saw although I admit I paid pretty much no attention to either sides arguments in the lead up). Ironically its the pro-leave rags that are pushing these stories!

The UK public have had their heads in the sand now for quiet some time over the sate of the UK's financial affairs. No reason why it should change the habit of a lifetime now.

JReacher1

unholyangel wrote: »

Shows a basic lack of economic understanding lol. You didn't tell me you were a comedian but you must be if you dont realise the knock on effects the crash in £ value & stock market has as well as private investors being less likely to invest etc.

And this wasn't a remain argument (at least not that I saw although I admit I paid pretty much no attention to either sides arguments in the lead up). Ironically its the pro-leave rags that are pushing these stories!

The UK public have had their heads in the sand now for quiet some time over the sate of the UK's financial affairs. No reason why it should change the habit of a lifetime now.

This helps explain why your belief the French economy is now bigger than ours is laughable.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/eu-referendum-result-has-the-french-economy-really-overtaken-the-uk-in-size-since-last-night-a7101361.html%3famp#

unholyangel

JReacher1 wrote: »

This helps explain why your belief the French economy is now bigger than ours is laughable.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/eu-referendum-result-has-the-french-economy-really-overtaken-the-uk-in-size-since-last-night-a7101361.html%3famp#

Well if you want to get technical, the UK was only the fifth biggest if you go purely on GDP and dont account for PPP. As with any figures, they're open to manipulation and one set of figures on its own will never give you a clear cut picture of an economy.
http://www.indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?t=20&v=65

But you're still ignoring my point.

JReacher1

unholyangel wrote: »

Well if you want to get technical, the UK was only the fifth biggest if you go purely on GDP and dont account for PPP. As with any figures, they're open to manipulation and one set of figures on its own will never give you a clear cut picture of an economy.
http://www.indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?t=20&v=65

But you're still ignoring my point.

I'm not sure what point you are referencing.

You claimed France had overtaken the UK economy on Friday. I am debunking that as it is ridiculous and shows a basic lack of economic understanding. Once we have resolved that we can move on to other points.

unholyangel

JReacher1 wrote: »

I'm not sure what point you are referencing.

You claimed France had overtaken the UK economy on Friday. I am debunking that as it is ridiculous and shows a basic lack of economic understanding. Once we have resolved that we can move on to other points.

And you rebutted it with an article that doesn't actually say or prove that it didnt.

If you perhaps read it again, you'll see they're comparing figures from 2015 & Q1 of 2016 (and their "expert" says currency isn't an accurate way to judge an economy - PPP is and by PPP we rank about 9th-10th)

Surely I don't need to explain why figures predating the eu ref vote are in no way indicative of the effect of brexit on our economy?

My point being that figures can be manipulated/interpreted and you need to read between the lines rather than reading just the headlines as you seem to have done in this case. Leave certainly manipulated things when they said we have the 5th biggest economy.

JReacher1

unholyangel wrote: »

My point being that figures can be manipulated/interpreted and you need to read between the lines rather than reading just the headlines as you seem to have done in this case. Leave certainly manipulated things when they said we have the 5th biggest economy.

You appear to be changing your argument now which makes it a bit confusing....

You posted earlier that after the referendum result the Uk's economy was replaced as the fifth biggest economy by France. i have correctly pointed out that statement is factually wrong.

You are now seem to be saying that the Uk wasn't the fifth biggest economy before the referendum, therefore if that is what you think why did you say they had been replaced in this position by France on Friday?

It seems like you deliberately shift your points to provoke (and continue) an argument. Very strange behaviour.

unholyangel

JReacher1 wrote: »

You appear to be changing your argument now which makes it a bit confusing....

You posted earlier that after the referendum result the Uk's economy was replaced as the fifth biggest economy by France. i have correctly pointed out that statement is factually wrong.

You are now seem to be saying that the Uk wasn't the fifth biggest economy before the referendum, therefore if that is what you think why did you say they had been replaced in this position by France on Friday?

It seems like you deliberately shift your points to provoke (and continue) an argument. Very strange behaviour.

Read my posts back, my point has always been that people are living in a dream land if they think we're getting a better trade deal out of the EU than they do being in it.

I also mentioned about manipulating numbers when you first linked the independent article but it seems that you missed the significance of what I said because you misunderstood the article in the first place.

I am not now saying, I said before that it should go by GDP PPP to be accurate because GDP on its own is misleading. You know for someone that belittles others understanding, you don't seem very capable of understanding much yourself.

Although I will admit I haven't been explaining in detail mainly due to the above, the fact that this really isn't the place to be discussing it in detail or the fact that I dont particularly care whether its understood or not. Not like its going to change the vote now, is it?

JReacher1

unholyangel wrote: »

Read my posts back, my point has always been that people are living in a dream land if they think we're getting a better trade deal out of the EU than they do being in it.

I also mentioned about manipulating numbers when you first linked the independent article but it seems that you missed the significance of what I said because you misunderstood the article in the first place.

I am not now saying, I said before that it should go by GDP PPP to be accurate because GDP on its own is misleading. You know for someone that belittles others understanding, you don't seem very capable of understanding much yourself.

Although I will admit I haven't been explaining in detail mainly due to the above, the fact that this really isn't the place to be discussing it in detail or the fact that I dont particularly care whether its understood or not. Not like its going to change the vote now, is it?

So to clarify are you still saying that the French economy overtook us on Friday as a result of the EU referendum result?