Young people and the economy

CLAPTON

Keep_pedalling wrote: »

Many young people look at my generation (the boomers) and see us as the luckiest and most selfish generation that there has ever been, and quite frankly I have to agree with them. We have had free further education, had reliable employment, good pensions and bought cheap houses that have made us wealthy but taken them out of that market. They feel ignored and not listened too as politicians pander to us old boomers.

Now we are voting on something that effects them more than it does us and many of them are not old enough to vote so once again the oldies are making decisions that may not be in their best interest without any consultation.

strange
I remember that only a small fraction of bloomers could go to UNi whilst now virtually every can benefit
I recall whole swarths of industry closing down : mines, steel, cars making, gas, electricity
I remember lack of ch, no access to cars, no running hot water, no foreign holidays
but yes the lucky ones had final salary pension schemes.
and yes we had cheaper housing because we had a lower population

spadoosh

mwpt wrote: »

I never mentioned any of the stuff you're talking about. You are trying to make this into a more general argument because you do not like my points. This isn't the argument for that.

There are a couple of facts:
Most older people are voting leave. not all
Most younger people are voting remain. not all
Some older people say they are voting leave for the younger generations. at a guess these will be the ones that either do not vote based on the younger generation, are doing and theyre grandchild are one of the few that vote exit or they will actually be voting leave as thats the view of their grandchild

I can keep repeating it if you like, but the point will still remain that those voters are voting for the opposite of what most younger people want.

You dont have all the information, its speculation based on assumption and it rarely turns out accurate.

mrginge

mwpt wrote: »

I can keep repeating it if you like, but the point will still remain that those voters are voting for the opposite of what most younger people want.

Yes yes we know that. but the point is - so what. That is their democratic right to vote based on whatever criteria they want. You can't force them to only listen to certain opinions and then just discount them if they don't follow your prescribed view of how they should vote, that's a ridiculous point of view.

Do you believe that a person's age should reflect how much political influence they are allowed to have?
What other cross-sections of society do you believe are less important?

mwpt

mrginge wrote: »

Yes yes we know that. but the point is - so what. That is their democratic right to vote based on whatever criteria they want. You can't force them to only listen to certain opinions and then just discount them if they don't follow your prescribed view of how they should vote, that's a ridiculous point of view.

Do you believe that a person's age should reflect how much political influence they are allowed to have?
What other cross-sections of society do you believe are less important?

Why do you keep resorting to putting words into my mouth? Have I done that to you?

EDIT: And will you retract all that stuff about me calling you a fascist?

mrginge

mwpt wrote: »

Why do you keep resorting to putting words into my mouth? Have I done that to you?

EDIT: And will you retract all that stuff about me calling you a fascist?

Well I'm not sure where you called me a facist tbh but you really shouldn't as I'm not.

bugslet

Keep_pedalling wrote: »

Many young people look at my generation (the boomers) and see us as the luckiest and most selfish generation that there has ever been, and quite frankly I have to agree with them. We have had free further education, had reliable employment, good pensions and bought cheap houses that have made us wealthy but taken them out of that market.
.

I'm a boomer, over 2.5 million unemployed when I left school at 18, no chance of uni, couldn't afford it though offered a place, the only pension I have ever had was the one I saved myself and where I am, houses are still relatively cheap, terrace for 80k. I don't feel lucky or selfish, not that I think in them and us terms.

We don't know for sure if it's better to Leave or Remain - Remain could be the worst option if the EU goes belly up - no-one really knows. What the younger generation have is a the idea that the UK couldn't manage to enact laws to benefit its citizens before the Common Market from what I see posted.

Thrugelmir

mwpt wrote: »

Young working people want to remain in the EU as they believe their prospects are better.

Many of similar age across Europe won't agree with that perspective. Not helped by flood of immigration from elsewhere either. No shortage of unskilled labour.

mwpt

My partner is a teacher and is reporting that the kids are very angry. So are most of the teachers.

PasturesNew

mwpt wrote: »

My partner is a teacher and is reporting that the kids are very angry. So are most of the teachers.

As a kid I'd have not known anything was going on. My life would've been full of colouring books, crayons, teddies and playing board games.

If the kids are angry their parents are radicalising them!

mwpt

PasturesNew wrote: »

As a kid I'd have not known anything was going on. My life would've been full of colouring books, crayons, teddies and playing board games.

If the kids are angry their parents are radicalising them!

Well, she does teach at a very good school, up till A levels. So I expect they're fair educated and taught to have an opinion and be aware of the world. I don't think I'd call it radicalism though.