Young people and the economy

Rinoa

mwpt wrote: »

In the spirit of michaels threads I thought I'd contribute one.

When older people are voting for exit, claiming that they are protecting younger people's futures, why do they not ask younger people what they actually want?

The polls tell us that the largest percentage of remain voters are 19-29. The next largest are the 30-39.

Young working people want to remain in the EU as they believe their prospects are better.

Perhaps ask your children or grand children how they want their futures to look because they have a lot more of it in front of them. They are also the ones who will be paying for your NHS and state pensions in the years to come.

Younger people have many attributes, wisdom is not one of them.

ruggedtoast

Rinoa wrote: »

Younger people have many attributes, wisdom is not one of them.

I think you mean "experience". Age is no guarantee of wisdom. Thinking it is indicates you have none yourself.

spadoosh

antrobus wrote: »

Anecdotally, I can report that both my children (18 and 20) are very keen to remain, and regard anyone who supports leave as a swivel-eyed fascist.

You seem proud that your children are ignorant?

I assume you encourage this behavior. And would also assume that your generally liberal leaning in that your perceive everyone who is voting out is a supporter of farage and the ilk?

I want the world to be a better place. The EU was solely created to benefit those who are its members. Seeing as this excludes the majority of the world i dont see how the EU is making the world a better place, it appears to be trying to make the EU a better place.

Im a fascist for voting brexit but the mere insinuation that i am, from you, suggests that you are equally fascist in that you wish to suppress my views, support a a single power (EU), advocate unfair trade agreements and industry (with the rest of the world, im sure they are favourable if your EU) and your showing an aggressive 'nationalism' towards being part of the EU.

I doubt i will influence you, i dont wish to change the direction you vote i wish to change your perceptions of those who choose to vote differently. If you assume that they are voting based on your prejudices and these people are bad for doing so, how are you acting any better?

Ive yet to meet someone who say's that i do not have a valid argument for my intended choice, yet some stranger on the internet feels it acceptable to judge my vote based on their prejudices. As much as you feel those who disagree with you are moronic its hard not to think your prejudice views match it.

Keep_pedalling

I had recent conversation with a chap in his seventies. He really wanted to vote leave, but was seriously considering voting the other way, because of how this might pan out for his grand children.

Personally I was very disappointed that unlike the Scottish referendum voting was not extended to 16 & 17 year olds as they are just as capable of making a rational decision on this as are aging boomers like myself. They are our future but they are not allowed a say in it, so the least the rest of us should do is listen to their opinions before we make decisions on their behalf.

michaels

mwpt wrote: »

In the spirit of michaels threads I thought I'd contribute one.

When older people are voting for exit, claiming that they are protecting younger people's futures, why do they not ask younger people what they actually want?

The polls tell us that the largest percentage of remain voters are 19-29. The next largest are the 30-39.

Young working people want to remain in the EU as they believe their prospects are better.

Perhaps ask your children or grand children how they want their futures to look because they have a lot more of it in front of them. They are also the ones who will be paying for your NHS and state pensions in the years to come.

It always surprises me when apparently intelligent people assume that because older people are more right wing than younger people that as these older people die off the population as a whole will become more left wing. It never occurs to them that perhaps people move from being young and without assets to old and with assets they might see the world in a different light and change their preferences.

Personally as an older person with assets I would be much better off if remain wins but I am voting with my conscience that democracy matters rather than with my bank balance.

mrginge

mwpt wrote: »

Young people are not claiming to be voting remain to protect older generations.

No, they are claiming to be voting to protect their own futures.
(Some may say that that would make them slightly selfish)

Therefore it would probably make sense to speak to some pensioners who can relay their experiences of how their futures turned out from when they were the same age.

Honestly you just cannot accept that anyone who has a contrary view to your own is anything other than a racist or a facist or an idiot or at very least generally worthless.

CLAPTON

all old people were once young

no young people were ever old

Keep_pedalling

mrginge wrote: »

No, they are claiming to be voting to protect their own futures.
(Some may say that that would make them slightly selfish)

Therefore it would probably make sense to speak to some pensioners who can relay their experiences of how their futures turned out from when they were the same age.

Honestly you just cannot accept that anyone who has a contrary view to your own is anything other than a racist or a facist or an idiot or at very least generally worthless.

Many young people look at my generation (the boomers) and see us as the luckiest and most selfish generation that there has ever been, and quite frankly I have to agree with them. We have had free further education, had reliable employment, good pensions and bought cheap houses that have made us wealthy but taken them out of that market. They feel ignored and not listened too as politicians pander to us old boomers.

Now we are voting on something that effects them more than it does us and many of them are not old enough to vote so once again the oldies are making decisions that may not be in their best interest without any consultation.

mwpt

mrginge wrote: »

No, they are claiming to be voting to protect their own futures.
(Some may say that that would make them slightly selfish)

Therefore it would probably make sense to speak to some pensioners who can relay their experiences of how their futures turned out from when they were the same age.

Honestly you just cannot accept that anyone who has a contrary view to your own is anything other than a racist or a facist or an idiot or at very least generally worthless.

I never mentioned any of the stuff you're talking about. You are trying to make this into a more general argument because you do not like my points. This isn't the argument for that.

There are a couple of facts:
Most older people are voting leave.
Most younger people are voting remain.
Some older people say they are voting leave for the younger generations.

I can keep repeating it if you like, but the point will still remain that those voters are voting for the opposite of what most younger people want.

spadoosh

In contrast i work in the domicilary care sector. It amazes me how soo many people have soo few people to help them when they are most vulnerable. Fair play to any older person who wants to make the decision based on their own interests. Theres quite a few, i imagine, who feel they've been forgotten by younger generations.