Soil pipe from toilet vertically down, and not horizontal

Possom

I have a 1930s toilet which was in an outside shed at my house, but I was thinking of moving it to the main 1st floor bathroom.

The soil pipe is in the same configuration as the one shown in the link, that is, it goes out and down into the ground and not simply straight out.

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Would it be any more difficult to install this type of loo due to this configuration of soil pipe?

A new hole will have to be made in the wall in any case as I'm going to have the location of the toilet moved within the bathroom.

phil24_7

Its doable but would depend on joist placement and direction...and yes, it will be more difficult.

Davesnave

Are you emotionally attached to this toilet?

If so, the extra hassle and associated cost might be worth it, but personally I've always been able to leave old bogs at the dump without a backward glance.

New, quieter internals, better efficiency less limescale....what's not to like?

Possom

phil24_7 wrote: »

Its doable but would depend on joist placement and direction...and yes, it will be more difficult.

The joists point directly out towards the external wall, so the pipe can go down between the joists.

Davesnave wrote: »

New, quieter internals, better efficiency less limescale....what's not to like?

The cistern is high level, and is would be good to have a high level cistern as it's an extremely small bathroom so having the cistern up high on the wall will give that little bit of extra room.

I hadn't thought about the cistern being quieter, though as the cistern is black plastic I'd probably get a new white porcelain high level cistern in any case.

The better efficiency you refer to, possibly means reduced water held in the cistern, so a a new cistern would also cover this.

Less limescale; do modern toilets permit less limescale than a 1930s porcelain one (I assume it's porcelain)?

phil24_7

Less water in the pan too as well as better flow and solids removal!

Possom

phil24_7 wrote: »

better [snip] solids removal!

I hadn't realised there would be any difference in this respect.

I'd just assumed the toilet would simply flush away irrespective if vintage or modern.

phil24_7

Don't get me wrong, they're not life changing differences, just subtle improvements in design over the years.

If your prepared to make it work and don't mind the extra difficulty (lifting floorboards, putting a hole in the external wall bang in the right place and then having a soil pipe under your flooring) then go for it.

Possom

phil24_7 wrote: »

If your prepared to make it work and don't mind the extra difficulty (lifting floorboards, putting a hole in the external wall bang in the right place and then having a soil pipe under your flooring) then go for it.

A new hole has to be put in the wall either way (the vintage loo or a new one) as the toilet location is to be changed within the bathroom.

phil24_7

I understand that. It will be harder to do below floor level and between joists though!

Davesnave

Possom wrote: »

The cistern is high level, and is would be good to have a high level cistern as it's an extremely small bathroom so having the cistern up high on the wall will give that little bit of extra room.

I hadn't thought about the cistern being quieter, though as the cistern is black plastic I'd probably get a new white porcelain high level cistern in any case.

The better efficiency you refer to, possibly means reduced water held in the cistern, so a a new cistern would also cover this.

Less limescale; do modern toilets permit less limescale than a 1930s porcelain one (I assume it's porcelain)?

I was only referring to the build-up of limescale under the rim etc, which doesn't happen everywhere, but used to be very bad where I once lived.

While a high level cistern doesn't take up lower level space, it removes the option of fitting a narrow cupboard above & behind the loo.

konark

Pans with vertical outlets were usually used on solid floors downstairs and outside toilets. in a first floor bathroom the pipe would run between the joists and even if the joists ran the right way access would be difficult and the junction into the stack would need to be lowered. IMHO not worth the hassle.