Elite 11+ shopping and chat thread

wendyak

Savvybuyer wrote: »

Just heard someone say that, with the pound being 10% less, goods they import must cost them 10% more. That's not quite right though is it?* With percentages being of a lower figure, isn't it something like 11.111...% more?:think: Where is aau1?:rotfl:

For the sake of balance:D, I'll mention that it does not impact homegrown goods and, indeed, has benefits for those exporting.

(*Another case, perhaps, where what may seem like "common sense" turns out to be wrong:rotfl:. And... on this occasion, it's actually something that can be proven to be objectively wrong, based on the operation of our mathematical system and the meanings we give to numbers in our language, rather than something that is personal opinion. It's not a matter of personal opinion that 2+2=4. It's matter of fact. Although that's only because 2 means 2 and 4 means 4. It would not be a matter of fact if, instead of 2 in our language, we used the word "deux" or something else. Then deux plus deux would be whatever word we then used to use instead what we currently use in our language as the word "four".

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl: I know, another esoteric argument at the end here. But it's true isn't it?:rotfl:)

Yes, it is Savvy. You remind me of my husband who insists on writing in his own language ..not only can nobody read it, neither can he half the time....I always say if an F was that shape to everyone it would be fine !!!

Serendipitious

Good song for a hot day

https://youtu.be/OfJRX-8SXOs

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Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

No idea, but I always use tinypic as you don't have to have an account.

Hi,
Thanks for this, didn't have a clue how to upload a photo on here.:beer:

emerald21

mhoc wrote: »

the manager in Waitrose said they were only stocked in London stores so I am wondering if its the same with Mr !!!!!! - only stocked in the south - just a theory

Good afternoon all I got my little miracles from Tesco by the meal deals

sarahskint

afternoon all , as you lot are good at tracking things down I'm looking for the best and cheapest place to get some wire mesh for an aviary from, 1" x 1" 30m long and 6ft high, although may have to get 2 rolls 3ft each..... any suggestions please as we have nothing local here that sells any - ty xx

Savvybuyer

wendyak wrote: »

Yes, it is Savvy. You remind me of my husband who insists on writing in his own language ..not only can nobody read it, neither can he half the time....I always say if an F was that shape to everyone it would be fine !!!

I don't know why - well, I do actually - but you've made me think of swearwords again(:eek::rotfl:). Well, maybe he can therefore get away with writing it if he writes the letter in his unusual way.

Apologies for any offence to anyone (it's bound to bring to mind the word being referred to). I'd rather it were said and out to be honest(:eek:), I find it more annoying myself when I now get it via other means and, of course, this site doesn't allow it. (I don't know whether that's a bugbear for me or not and it may do so for a perfectly "good" reason. I don't know why reference to it is seen as less offensive, or even inoffensive. Personally, for me nowadays, it isn't. It's actually worse. However, I suppose that's now just me. Moving on...:rotfl: Except that I'm not:rotfl::rotfl:) I'm sorry I've compounded the matter by not merely leaving it at "apologies for any offence"* and instead discussing it in even greater depth, which is almost bound to infuriate someone that ought to skip this entire post - so please do this if so as you have it within your power to do so (not like you're in a public place such as a doctor's surgery, gym, shop or store, have something in sound going on around you in the air and therefore can't avert your eyes from it and it's all around you and have to leave because of its offensive content, something that I have regularly had happen to me and it's unacceptable when you're merely in a place trying to carry on reasonable and lawful normal life activities that are reasonably essential to normal life (such as exercise or seeing a doctor). I do not have access to an off switch so that does not apply, I am unprotected from it, have to leave the building and disrupt my activities, itself upsetting me by having to do so, and do not know what point I can come back or if the offensive material has gone. I find some things just raise even more issues for me than someone merely actually vocalising something (which, these days, I could probably forgive and forget). Instead, the thought lingers in my mind long afterwards (sometime days) and I get seriously upset. As well as the serious discomfort because other people around me would, I feel, know exactly what was meant (and it's in the mind - mind and emotion and feeling - and mental distress).

Anyway... I could go on and on about it obsessively because that's part of the problem, they should "take care to avoid causing distress thoughts in people that have conditions that have elements similar to OCD":rotfl::rotfl:. I'm not laughing at the condition OCD, instead laughing because of this:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/05/trigger-warnings-can-be-counterproductive
"[A]nything that might inspire thoughts in people with OCD".

It's actually part of, eventually, post-traumatic stress disorder. The whole point is that it is about reminders of things and what is in the mind, not what is actually heard. So that's the whole cause of the objection in the first place. Anyone that argues the contrary is missing the point. Don't worry - I'm not saying I was caused offence by your post at all. On the contrary: I'd now like to make crystal clear that it hasn't caused me offence ("Caused me offence" - I never get "offended" (I don't choose to "take" offence - instead I get caused a physical reaction of a very negative nature - in other words, offence).)

Anyway, why I post this is obviously the obsession too. Seven years later!:rotfl: Really, if they'd not made such a point about "inappropriate" language, maybe I could have ignored it too. I feel, at this stage, so utterly physically infringed and so badly treated that, really, I don't wish to hear anything of it that refers to it ever again (not when I'm around other people). I get physically bad heart racing when I'm reminded about it sometimes and it persists for absolute hours - just so so infuriating to think about it and about the admitted inappropriate nature to the whole material. Really angers me - and (unfortunately?) the anger remains locked inside and never comes out. I need a really good swear, in my own home, ironically, in order to get it out:rotfl::rotfl:. But, even then, I can't stop heart racing. Fortunately this isn't happening right now as I write but it does sometimes and is triggered off by some material, which I only encounter always in public places where I could not have avoided being in the first place. I had one in a shop shop recently - the altered sound of a word of racist connotations in other contexts and that material is the trigger material for me. It distracted me, made me unable to think of anything else, made me unable to continue looking for what shoes I wanted to buy as I could not think about that, and made me have to sit down on the bench and really upset, as well as some heart racing. I found it seriously inappropriate and the replacement material is trigger material for me. I've never yet been caused offence by the use of the actual word, as I've never heard it in an inappropriate circumstance. It's solely the "radio" versions that I have problems with - just making an issue about their own language that they then have me having an issue about. Really infuriating and offensive that I get the message, unacceptably, by this way. Anyway, I don't get contexts of overall songs (unless the overall song is sexual, in which case it's a problem for me in most public environments) - I concentrate on tiny details and all I get is the material that bothers me in the song and no other part of the song is remembered by me at all. I did have an unaltered original version of a song played once:eek:. However, whilst the initial reaction to it, it still left me having to deal with what had been said, was exactly the same (as the radio version played the week before), it did not in the event go on to cause me actual offence - it was like a film in the cinema and sounded rather mild and I could pretend people had missed it.

Instead, the radio version caused me extreme offence of the highest possible level: left me legs physically shaking after I'd left the room, in extreme discomfort, with my heart racing badly. The replacement material stood out from the soundtrack as the most prominent element in it and I just could not pretend that people around me could have missed it and would not know what it meant. It made me annoyed when I was already having to deal with the use of the material and put me straight down into serious discomfort and offence. It's like pressing the word down into me (rather than being on a speaker metres away, it's right on top on me as it's in my mind) - I was unhappy to be in possession of the word (it was in my mind and then repeatedly thought about) through the means by which it was conveyed and seriously uncomfortable. The original version, fortunately it was just a single use of a mild word (word that sounded mild) and I was okay. It is the radio version that I had problems with and left me in extreme discomfort. That also caught me out on three separate occasions at home when, yet again, someone else - and it always is - put the television on. My father was in the room and on every one of the three airings, it made me uncomfortable and caused me actual offence.

So, there is a song out there where the original version with the actual word in the soundtrack is okay for me even if any public place, but the radio versions causes me utter offence of the most extreme nature. I feel exasperated at the so-called "clean" versions and have had problems exclusively with them. "Family friendly"? Not so for me - unable to play them in front of my family because of how seriously uncomfortable they personally make me be in that situation. "Safe for work"? I've regularly been caused serious offence by stuff played on the radio at work.

:rotfl::rotfl: I can laugh about it now and how much I've written/had to get out of me, when I'm currently out of the situation. I left a restaurant in the middle of a meal only the other week. Really, is a song going on about things I could not even post on here, in the song in signature sound form, appropriate when I'm around strangers and people of older generations? I found the whole message of the song, sexually explicit in nature, to be something I did not wish to hear in that place even (or maybe especially?) with the language in static sound (not quite) or signature sound form (not quite sure how to describe it - a bit like a blank but somehow with some sound seemingly to it (though I'm sure if I listened really closely there was no sound there - it doesn't seem that way in the context of the song and the sexually explicit message is suggested and conveyed - it's got the rhythm of the swearword embedded in the altered sound - or lack of sound whatever it is).) Really suggesting the entirety of the offensive message, offensive, inappropriate in that setting, in almost a snide way. Do I want to know about [words I can't even post on here] - maybe I can post the second one as it's not a swearword as such but, given it's sexually explicit nature in this context, I will not even do so.

It is not like Carry On films or acceptable double entendre as the material in the song has no alternative innocent meaning to it at all and it comes across directly as what it is - a song about two specific sexual acts, mentioned and evoked in "crude" terms, when I'm around my father etc.! I find the whole concept something I don't wish to hear or know about when I'm in that environment regardless of how it is conveyed. I had to leave as a direct result of it - "I'm sorry, I just find the nature of this song completely inappropriate" I said as I got up and left - and then had to go several metres father up the street because I could still hear the song even outside of the restaurant. I bet I left my father etc. with a message that I found something inappropriate and I don't know how they coped with remaining there with the song after I've left, somehow, maybe other people just don't know what it is going on about? But I certainly knew and really did not want it. I left again on another occasion when the song, on loop on their CD, came back on for a second time about an hour later.

The strange thing is - and some people may even view me in a negative way if I say this - this is a song of the type that I would probably listen to and enjoy when I'm entirely alone - and the more "inappropriate" it is, the better I like it there. So, it's actually all my fault for actually liking (solely in solitary listening!) and sometimes buying:eek: songs like this and making them popular. But that does not mean that I consider it appropriate to play, even or especially in a different form, in other situations in which I could not physically shout out the same language across the restaurant (like the song, transmitted across it, is equivalent to doing). So, actually inappropriate and totally wrong for me there - actually consider it morally wrong and when I think about it like that I get more annoyed and upset even afterwards at how unacceptable and inappropriate other people's behaviour in putting on such songs in those places is. I thought it was inappropriate (and not nearly enough as to make me laugh, but just plain inappropriate and therefore actual inappropriate - I had to leave) but can laugh about it now as it was inappropriate and it's even more funny for that (I know - I'm also, in other situations, "immature").

However, I don't know what this specific song was (and would like to know so I buy the "explicit" version of it:rotfl:) and had never heard it before (and hopefully will never hear it again in a public place) so I had certainly not got what it was going on about from its explicit version. I got it from the so-called "clean" song that is dirty and even dirtier than the original (being "inappropriate for its environment", and therefore dirty and not clean, although I do not consider sex to be "dirty"). I don't regard the "clean" version as clean. It's dirty, on the assumption that the "dirty" version is dirty. Meanwhile, the "dirty" version, as a complete and clean copy of the original song, is therefore clean and not dirty at all. For me, it's the radio versions (that I consider are inappropriate to play on radio in those environments) that are the dirty ones. They certainly give me an even greater problem and, in that sense, are therefore unwanted and dirty (and, indeed, their repeated playing, by numerous separate establishments acting as joint tortfeasors (regardless of whether or not there was any intention to do so) may be said to amount to harassment:rotfl::rotfl:. And, seriously though, I experience all the same feelings as some victims of personal harassment). I bring the conduct within the meaning of the harassment and anti-social behaviour legislation. It is unwanted (by me, in those places) and has exactly the same effect. Of course, nothing is ever done about it - and that remains unacceptable.

It's "popular" music - it's gone way too far for me, in some environments, even or especially in the changed sound versions. I think they should not be played at all - until they can produce a version that uses wholly "clean" lyrics and does not contain any suggestion of any sexual words at all - that's right, I support censorship. I want these songs banned, real proper censorship, necessary and desirable and essential in these places in order to ensure that I am protected from the upset, serious harm (including post-traumatic stress disorder that it eventually ended up causing me seven years ago and which I still have, residually, now), discomfort, offence and disruption. I find it deeply problematic and object to it intensely (and find my heart racing and racing when I feel like that).

So, yes, I'm in favour of censorship, fully and wholeheartedly, in this society in which we are not free to say what we want, but these altered versions, which fail to remove and take away their meaning and instead convey and communicate it more widely, do not amount to such. They merely 'censor' the way in which something originally sounded but do not censor its meaning - unless it is that they take away wholly innocent words (such as the words "weed" or "bullet") and replace them by implications of "worse" language instead.

:rotfl::rotfl: (I like them, for that reason, when listening entirely alone, as they make it worse and more "offensive" and, therefore, better. The "so bad it's good" type of thing. So, the worse it sounds, the more I like it. But not in the public environments - there it just comes across as plain worse and makes it actually even more offensive, in other words I actually experience, against my wishes (and therefore it's disrespectful to play such a thing around me in such an environment), the extreme discomfort and emotional offence. I want songs to be censored, that is utterly banned completely and prevented from any distribution whatsoever to me in any environment in which I find them personally inappropriate and totally unacceptable - and I've written this in such an extreme way because that's how extremely I feel about it. Utterly reprehensible to play them. Anyway...:rotfl:.

I do not support other's rights to freedom of expression. People have no right to freedom of expression when it impinges on me and causes me serious discomfort, especially in a public place environment in which I go to attempt to carry on normal life and do not choose to go there to subject myself to this, and it's unacceptable to disrupt and prevent my lawful activities in such a way. And, even if it doesn't make me uncomfortable automatically, it still causes me to have whatever I was doing disrupted (for instance having to leave a venue as a result). It's not acceptable and the protection of my health and avoidance of post-traumatic stress disorder is more important and outweighs any claim they might had have, especially as it's happened so often and especially because of the extreme level of the harm, offence and really bad reaction it has caused me by it. As far as I'm concerned, any so-called right to freedom of expression, which is always a qualified right and not absolute, has been lost by the nature of the harm to me and a single suggestion of a swear of any nature now, and regardless of any context or otherwise, in any song in public will utterly provoke me and be unacceptable. Yes, I'm entitled to be so extreme. I don't want the harassment. I'm entitled to decide that I don't wish any sounds to approach or be near me in any way at all in any place in which I do not want them and that anyone causing or doing such a thing is behaving unacceptably and I'm entitled not to have what they do interfere with me and grossly infringe my personal dignity in such a way. I've been utterly infuriated by it, and so often and such an extent, that I don't want any of it at all now (in such public environments in which it gives me a problem with it). And the more it is done, the more infuriated and annoyed I become at it and the more unacceptable it becomes/it has become.

It has - it's left me so upset, and physically so, and crying my eyes out on one occasion. The culmination of repeated offensive material, over every week and months and years, at every time I've gone to a particular public place. I find the so-called "clean" versions, which I do not accept to be clean, seriously bothersome in those public places. On one occasion, it reminded me of being sworn at by a child in the playground at school many years before and caused me upset as a result of that.

It's all my parents' and teachers' fault that I blame for this and their inadventent and unintentional of them and my society making these words swearwords and therefore offensive for me in certain situations (at one time really bad - and I suppose still are bad to the extent that their use or uncomfortable hidden which truly isn't reference to them makes me uncomfortable). It was really really bad to call it a "swearword". Something that you never ever say. It made it really really heinously bad for me as a child and I've had problems ever since (in certain places - whilst we always used to say it in the playground ourselves when teachers weren't present and usually had a laugh about doing so -) and wish my society had never created the idea of concept of "offensive language" in the first place as it would never then have been any problem to me. Everything our society does has made it worse for me (although also better, i.e. funny, in other circumstances such as comedy etc.) and continues to reinforce and perpetuate the problem for me, which isn't a problem at all in certain other situations (e.g. mates and friends, and it's really friendly, makes situations informal and relaxing, in those situations). It wasn't my parents and teachers - they were just acting in accordance with society and making the problem for me as a result in some situations, which is why I have problems even with so-called clean versions even now - really useless to have created the whole idea of "swearwords" and I wish now that it had never been done. It's made me uncomfortable in numerous situations ever since and continues to do so. I won't play any version of these songs - whether unaltered original or altered sound - in front of my family - I have CDs like this that I just won't put on at all when they're around and only listen to when I'm totally alone. When I used to listen to the radio back in 1996 (I don't voluntarily do so these days because I don't like much of what they play at all), I used to switch these songs off if I was in family company. Now, with the word having been used so much in real life and it's no longer causing me any offence when hearing it at night alone, I feel like I could play an explicit version around my family but not one of the clean ones:rotfl:. Explicit versions are just like films that, after all, I watch perfectly fine with my family, although for some reason I don't feel able to put songs myself (perhaps because it "seems like the language is coming from me, because I've put the song on", when it's a CD rather than a broadcaster choosing it) but the "clean" content (which, for me, isn't) is something somewhat even worse.

I can now laugh at about how I was caught by the song in the restaurant and objectively at my own reaction. But, in the situation, absolutely not fun at all - and I think the restaurant was wrong. It happened several weeks before, in a pub (although that one was not of a sexually explicit (sexually implicit?) nature). Again, I had to leave and didn't know how long I had to stay outside before I could come back - so stayed out for ten minutes just to be absolutely sure that the offensive song (offensive in that environment for me) was gone. I was unhappy at the entire time at having to be outside. It happens quite a lot - and everytime caused a serious physical adverse reaction, always from an offensive so-called clean version. I don't know why Apple, btw, has a patent for a system to replace swearwords with post-traumatic stress disorder trigger material for me and I'm sure it's Beats service is one that I would find completely unlistenable certainly if around family. [Continues on my next post.]

*Actually, saying "apologies for any offence" is something that now itself infuriates me by referring back to and drawing attention even more - yes, that's right, apologising sometimes causes me offence (particularly if I wasn't offended by the original use anyway and, if the apology is made it's just, nowadays, irksome and annoying (I would write a swearword before that last word:rotfl:) and doesn't alter the fact that it should never have been said in the first place if, by apologising, they are now admitting that it was wrong. Bugbear, bugbear, bugbear...:rotfl::rotfl: So irritating (and therefore 'offensive') to try to lessen offence by apologising:rotfl:.

I get caused offence when people try to lessen stuff and they think that they're being acceptable:rotfl::rotfl:.

emerald21

sarahskint wrote: »

afternoon all , as you lot are good at tracking things down I'm looking for the best and cheapest place to get some wire mesh for an aviary from, 1" x 1" 30m long and 6ft high, although may have to get 2 rolls 3ft each..... any suggestions please as we have nothing local here that sells any - ty xx

Try home bargains I saw some rolls of wire mesh stuff there

LEJC

TrulyMadly wrote: »

I feel I need to see your curtains now:rotfl::rotfl:

Only a very select few get to do that.....

underperky

naebbirac wrote: »

some more pics.









hope they're ok, and not put tweets into three doors down back garden :eek:
N x

beautiful ....

underperky

mhoc wrote: »

the manager in Waitrose said they were only stocked in London stores so I am wondering if its the same with Mr !!!!!! - only stocked in the south - just a theory

There is a find out where you can get them from if you go into offer

Not local to me either waites we don't have and no stocks nearby us either
hth:D