Is there a render you don't need to paint?

TomsMom

TheCyclingProgrammer wrote: »

If you renovate more than 25% of the wall (such as stripping off the existing render and re-rendering it) then you may have to upgrade the thermal insulation at the same time under building regs. Same can apply if you are having replastering done internally.

https://www.planningportal.co.uk/info/200130/common_projects/18/external_walls/2
https://www.planningportal.co.uk/info/200130/common_projects/18/external_walls/3

Those are for England and I live in Wales. I've checked and it says

You do not need to apply for planning permission:
1. For repairs or maintenance.
2. For minor improvements, such as painting your house or replacing windows.
3. For internal alterations.

It may come under (1) but I can check, my son knows the local BCO.

TomsMom

phil24_7 wrote: »

Though most people wont inform building control!

TheCyclingProgrammer wrote: »

Depends what your neighbours are like.

I'm very lucky, really lovely neighbours and only 6 houses in the lane where I live.

TheCyclingProgrammer

TomsMom wrote: »

Those are for England and I live in Wales. I've checked and it says

You do not need to apply for planning permission:
1. For repairs or maintenance.
2. For minor improvements, such as painting your house or replacing windows.
3. For internal alterations.

It may come under (1) but I can check, my son knows the local BCO.

I'm not talking about planning permission, I'm talking about building regs which are mostly the same in England and Wales. Strictly speaking it requires building control notification and approval.

But I agree it's unlikely they would find out unless somebody complains.

ceredigion

TomsMom wrote: »

Those are for England and I live in Wales. I've checked and it says

You do not need to apply for planning permission:
1. For repairs or maintenance.
2. For minor improvements, such as painting your house or replacing windows.
3. For internal alterations.

It may come under (1) but I can check, my son knows the local BCO.

Taken from Ceredigion county council web site

Do I need Building Regulations?
You will need to apply for Building Regulations if you intend to do any of the following:

• When you erect or extend a building.
• When you materially alter a building e.g. carry out structural alterations.
• When you extend or alter a controlled service within a building e.g. install a WC.
• When you want to change the building's fundamental use.
• When installing replacement windows using a Builder or window company not FENSA registered.
• Certain domestic electrical work.
• When you alter the energy status of the building e.g. re-render.

Building Regulations may also apply to other alterations or constructions. Please contact Building Control to see if you will require Building Regulations.

TomsMom

ceredigion wrote: »

Taken from Ceredigion county council web site


Quote:
Do I need Building Regulations?
You will need to apply for Building Regulations if you intend to do any of the following:
When you erect or extend a building.
When you materially alter a building e.g. carry out structural alterations.
When you extend or alter a controlled service within a building e.g. install a WC.
When you want to change the building's fundamental use.
When installing replacement windows using a Builder or window company not FENSA registered.
Certain domestic electrical work.
When you alter the energy status of the building e.g. re-render.
Building Regulations may also apply to other alterations or constructions. Please contact Building Control to see if you will require Building Regulations

Thanks ceredigion, I was looking at the wrong thing.

What I can't understand is if you replace render with render then that is like for like, how can that alter the energy status of the building? You take one thing off and replace with the same thing, I don't see how it alters it :huh:

Further back The Cycling Programmer mentions

If you renovate more than 25% of the wall (such as stripping off the existing render and re-rendering it) then you may have to upgrade the thermal insulation at the same time under building regs.

Is this thermal insulation those panels applied to your outside walls, then rendered over?

ceredigion

Tomsmom,
The current situation is a joke and causes me no end of aggro, I am a plastering contractor. Up to 25% is considered maintenance and there is no need to notify building control, over 25% is considered improvement and requires building control approval and yes they will insist you bring the wall up to the current thermal standard , 3.5 U per square meter. This can be done by external insulation or it can be done internally , either way you go from circa £30 per square meter to £120 per square meter. So in my life I regularly see clients as you describe with cracked blown damp render , you explain the situation to them and they decide ,cant afford that and they live with it as is. That said I have when a property is not on a main thoroughfare done the work anyway and ive also split properties into 4 and done 4 lots of work in 4 years . Completely bonkers. We wont even start about trying to work in a conservation area, building control say do that , cadw say you cant do that you will have to do it internally . Client says pi** off .

TomsMom

ceredigion wrote: »

Tomsmom,
The current situation is a joke and causes me no end of aggro, I am a plastering contractor. Up to 25% is considered maintenance and there is no need to notify building control, over 25% is considered improvement and requires building control approval and yes they will insist you bring the wall up to the current thermal standard , 3.5 U per square meter. This can be done by external insulation or it can be done internally , either way you go from circa £30 per square meter to £120 per square meter. So in my life I regularly see clients as you describe with cracked blown damp render , you explain the situation to them and they decide ,cant afford that and they live with it as is. That said I have when a property is not on a main thoroughfare done the work anyway and ive also split properties into 4 and done 4 lots of work in 4 years . Completely bonkers. We wont even start about trying to work in a conservation area, building control say do that , cadw say you cant do that you will have to do it internally . Client says pi** off .

Thanks Ceredigion. What a nightmare.

Bear with me, I'm just trying to paint a picture.

This house was completely refurbished in 2008/2009, so there is no way any insulation will be put internally.

Externally, part of the side walls are local stone - the only leftovers from the original small cottage built about 200 years ago, everything else is extensions in brick or block, all done at varying times since the 1950s and rendered.

The rendering is flush with the original stone in the side walls. External insulation will be proud of this stone work. Obviously I don't want to lose the stone work, it is a feature, and will look rather silly stepped back from the new rendering over external insulation.

Found a picture:



So would Building Control seriously expect someone to completely mess up the inside of their house, requiring work and complete redecoration when it was so recently done. Equally, would they expect them to spoil the outside of their house, and have it look ridiculous, by having the insulation and rendering stand proud by X inches of the original stone wall?

I can see where this will lead. We are tucked away . The one builder who is quoting should be fine about that, although I haven't had the quote yet and he doesn't know I'm considering the K Rend rather than the coloured dash he was talking about. The other one who is supposed to be coming, not sure, he does a lot of work for a well known builder here who I imagine sticks to the rules and knows the BCO very well.

ouraggie

We have an old timber built cottage at the coast. Our render was old, verycracked and had chunks missing and we had it done with some stuff called Parex, which came in about 30 colours. It's been there 18 months now and still looks pristine at the moment. The house seems warmer too. They have a website where you can try out their different shades on a virtual house - hours of fun!

TomsMom

ouraggie wrote: »

We have an old timber built cottage at the coast. Our render was old, verycracked and had chunks missing and we had it done with some stuff called Parex, which came in about 30 colours. It's been there 18 months now and still looks pristine at the moment. The house seems warmer too. They have a website where you can try out their different shades on a virtual house - hours of fun!

I did look at Parex ,I found that before I knew about KRend. However, their representative is 1.5-2 hours drive from me so that could be a factor in cost whereas the KRend can be done by the local person. I will, however, make enquiries. I haven't seen the virtual house on their website though.

ouraggie

Hi again. Re the parex, I didn't have their rep. I was told about it by the local builder who did the job. They just ordered it off the website. I picked the colour using the virtual house. They hacked off all the bad render, filled the gaps, did a scratch coat and then applied the parex.
Interestingly, my near neighbour had theirs done not long before me (not with parex). Their facade is already cracking in several places.
Btw, I don't have shares in parex! Just pleased with it so far and offering my 2 Penn'orth.