Using gas cylinder for cooker

Greegie

CashStrapped wrote: »

Is there a specific reason why you would want to go to the trouble of doing this? I notice you said you are just used to gas but is also for cost or just because you prefer to cook on gas.

Also remember that bottled gas produces much more water vapour so you will require good ventillation to avoid condensation/damp issues that may arise.

I would also think it best to notify your landlord of what you intend to do. You would be bringing a gas appliance (and bottled gas) into the property which has it's own inherant risks. This appliance may need periodic inspection which would end up being the landlords responsibility.

Prehaps if you are happy to foot the bill you can convice the landlords to install a dedicated gas hob running off the mains if you find a supply pipe available.

Yeah, I had electric cookers for years and hated them. Gas is a lot easier and I have got quite comfortable cooking on it. That is the main reason. Good points about the gas inspections etc, I'll definitely bear that in mind. Thank you

Greegie

ChumpusRex wrote: »

An alternative to changing to a gas hob is using an electric induction hob.

Induction hobs are completely different to normal electric hobs. They are better than gas in almost every way. Faster to heat up, more controllable, easier to clean, safer.

While an induction hob is more expensive than a gas hob, once you factor in the cost of gas piping, annual inspection/service, etc. it's really a no-brainer.

Good points thanks. Induction hobs are quite pricey so never considered them, but may have to now

Greegie

lstar337 wrote: »

Our tenancy states 'no bottled gas appliances to be used on the premises'.

It is mostly about heaters due to the amount of moisture expelled, but the same may be the same for a cooker.

I would check that your landlord will even allow it before worrying about the law.

Also, what a lot of hassle and money because you are 'used to' something. I would have thought it wouldn't be much more inconvenient to just have a gas cooker plumbed in properly!

Thanks Istar, that is helpful re the tenancy. I am just trying to be a step ahead. I don't really want to hassle the landlord with requests if I know it is a legal non-starter. The expense is minimal, cheaper than replacing the cooker with an electric one

Bigphil1474

Just a note, but landlords have a legal responsibility to ensure gas appliances are inspected annually in their rented domestic premises, so as Istar says, they'd have to agree - they'd most likely still be liable for having it inspected anyway. In relation to the actual cooker, commercial bottled gas cooking equipment does require external storage of the gas bottles, and is mostly only used where mains gas is unavailable, or more commonly when they get cut off by their gas supplier for not paying the bill. The easiest solution is to speak to a Gas Safe Registered engineer who would advise you on what installation is allowed or not based on the actual premises. The gas regs may be different for flats compared to houses for example. They'd be the people who'd be inspecting it anyway, so if they advise you what can and can't be used, you should be fine. The Gas Safe Register website can help you find an engineer in your area and will also confirm that they are covered for domestic work.

undaunted

LPG cookers are available & legal but if you already have gas in the property surely it would soon prove cheaper to have a gas fitter come & connect a cooker to mains gas than use expensive lpg?

Rodders53

https://www.calor.co.uk/storing-gas-bottles may help find the exact rules... Not withstanding Landlord agreement/permission is an absolute requirement!

Note 1: they are completely banned in high rise buildings.

Note 2: Gas Safe on LPG is a speciality and not all will be qualified.

JStewer

Rodders53 wrote: »

[link removed as I'm not permitted to include it apparently]may help find the exact rules... Not withstanding Landlord agreement/permission is an absolute requirement!

Note 1: they are completely banned in high rise buildings.

Note 2: Gas Safe on LPG is a speciality and not all will be qualified.

As the property in question already has a mains gas supply, gas is presumably permitted in this property.

Whilst the link indicates gas bottles should be stored outdoors, presumably those bottles in use can be indoors, e.g. gas heaters powered by gas bottles.

If the OP (Tenant) provides the appliance, the landlord is not responsible for having it safety tested. The LL is only responsible in that situation for "associated installation and pipework" of which there will be none if it's a self contained, bottle fed appliance.

Jonesya

Greegie wrote: »

We couldn't keep the cylinder outside as it is a 2nd floor flat with no outside space.

That's a key bit - it's a flat!!!! There's a load of additional regulations on using gas appliances in flats with good justification. Back in the sixties at Ronan Point, a resident's gas cooker caused an explosion that killed several people and collapsed part of the building.

You need to speak to a qualified gas engineer about it.

Personally, given all the cost and hassle and the fact you're only renting, I'd stick with the electric hob. If it's really an issue, buy a stand alone halogen or induction hob.

FrugalinShropshire

We don't have mains gas and therfore use LPG for the hob. There are certain safetly rules for the positioning of the LPG cannisters and they must be outside, a certain distance from windows and doors and away from naked flames etc.

silverwhistle

Bottled gas is very common in Italy, partly due to mains gas not always beeing available and partly due to the fact that most domestic supplies are limited to a nominal 3kw (3.3 actual) maximum load. I had my bottle on the balcony in a cabinet, which is a common arrangement.

Back here I put in an induction hob, a base model at a very reasonable price from a well known Swedish retailer.. have a look at their catalogue. As a very messy cook an additional advantage they have is that they're very easy to clean and I can't imagine a landlord objecting to their installation, particularly if you leave it when you go! (Otherwise you'll have to store and reinstate the old one..).