PIP Info?

SozeTHC

paragon909 wrote: »

Council tax exemption is band Z I believe, You either need to have permanent mental disability and this needs signed off by a doctor or have a home adapted for a persons disability, Unless your on the tenancy for the property then you wouldn't be required to pay council tax only the listed tenant.

My home is in Band A.
My doctor had to sign whatever exemption I received. I am on the tenancy agreement and the other tenant does pay CT.
TBH i was ultra lucky to come by this exemption, a women passed me the form at the housing and I filled it in, I didn't expect to even get it.

That's pretty much all i know about it. I have never even seen the exemption.

SozeTHC

nannytone wrote: »

it is your student status that exempts you from paying council tax and not your disability

I have had this exemption for 3 years, have been a student for nearly one.
I don not live in student accommodation either its private rent and is not exempt from student status, I believe, as I am the only student living here, the other person works full time.

And cheers Alice.

I guess that clear things up. I would consider the actual terms and conditions complex, haha.
And although I do understand that tea sentence it still irks me, I have seen it a few times and the structure annoys me, haha.

tomtontom

It sounds like some lax council/ doctor has signed the OP off as having a severe mental impairment.

Which is about as ridiculous as the OP being able to complete a degree whilst claiming not to understand complex communication.

paragon909

SozeTHC wrote: »

My home is in Band A.
My doctor had to sign whatever exemption I received. I am on the tenancy agreement and the other tenant does pay CT.
TBH i was ultra lucky to come by this exemption, a women passed me the form at the housing and I filled it in, I didn't expect to even get it.

That's pretty much all i know about it. I have never even seen the exemption.

Band A isn't an exception band. That is the lowest, You can be listed on the tenancy, But are you listed as a liable party, Being listed as an occupier isn't the same as being responsible for the household.

To get exception from council tax you need to have permanent mental health issues which a GP or specialists needs to sign off.

SozeTHC

tomtontom wrote: »

It sounds like some lax council/ doctor has signed the OP off as having a severe mental impairment.

Which is about as ridiculous as the OP being able to complete a degree whilst claiming not to understand complex communication.

I'm not claiming to not understand, I have quite obviously stated that I did not understand what qualifies as "Complex" language - it is very subjective not just in general but even more so with mental issues.
Again I mentioned that due to me being assessed by DSA and being awarded help to deal with "complex" info I felt that would be considered complex, from what Alice posted it seems there definition is not something I would consider complex.

Now it already seems your coating me with that brush, you do not know the full extent of my issues. I may have a long time mental issue, the way PIP and the exemption work are completely different. PIP is about how your issues effect you the exemption is not.
Now you could be right, maybe it was a lax doc.
I have also been through therapy, social services, care etc so I have many, many files some which contradict others.
All I am stating about this exemption is that I do have one and have had it for 3 years, the woman said to me that it was if your illness was going to affect you for the near future (years maybe) she never said lifetime that could be semantics though.
Again my knowledge is very limited.

SozeTHC

paragon909 wrote: »

Band A isn't an exception band. That is the lowest, You can be listed on the tenancy, But are you listed as a liable party, Being listed as an occupier isn't the same as being responsible for the household.

To get exception from council tax you need to have permanent mental health issues which a GP or specialists needs to sign off.

I have never said the property is exempt. Not sure if that's what you mean by exception band.

Only I am receiving exemption, the other person effectively pays 75% CT.

My GP did sign off on this. I had no interaction in this aside from being given a form at the Housing, I filled it in there and thought nothing of it.
I may have been very lucky, or it may be justified. I honestly do not know.

kingfisherblue

SozeTHC wrote: »

I'm not claiming to not understand, I have quite obviously stated that I did not understand what qualifies as "Complex" language - it is very subjective not just in general but even more so with mental issues.
Again I mentioned that due to me being assessed by DSA and being awarded help to deal with "complex" info I felt that would be considered complex, from what Alice posted it seems there definition is not something I would consider complex.

Now it already seems your coating me with that brush, you do not know the full extent of my issues. I may have a long time mental issue, the way PIP and the exemption work are completely different. PIP is about how your issues effect you the exemption is not.
Now you could be right, maybe it was a lax doc.
I have also been through therapy, social services, care etc so I have many, many files some which contradict others.
All I am stating about this exemption is that I do have one and have had it for 3 years, the woman said to me that it was if your illness was going to affect you for the near future (years maybe) she never said lifetime that could be semantics though.
Again my knowledge is very limited.

You have given several examples of complex language here.


In the examples that Alice quoted, my son would understand basic language most of the time (although we have to repeat and explain things at times, and he wouldn't understand 3 o'clock, as he cannot tell the time). However, he wouldn't understand the sentence about the cup of tea with a splash of milk etc. There are simply too many words for him to grasp and follow. He might get part of it - either the beginning or the end - but the rest would be lost. It may not be complex to you, but that is precisely why you didn't get any points for complex language. For most people, a longer sentence can be understood if it has a simple subject matter (and I'm not looking at academic language such as that used on university courses). For some people, a long sentence with a simple subject matter is too complicated for them to understand.


If you are at university, it can be assumed that you are able to follow longer, more detailed sentences, and by your own admission, the example given is not complex to you. However, it is classed as complex for the PIP clause that it is relating to. You therefore do not qualify. Put very simply, it is a sentence with two or more parts, containing more than one piece of information. Therefore, for the purposes of PIP, it is classed as complex.


Regarding the council tax, my son is in full time education, so I don't have to pay it for him yet. He is classed as having 'severe mental impairment', so he will be exempt. Although he has just turned 18, he cannot vote as he has a severe learning disability ('severe mental impairment'). Presumably you do not have a learning disability that would qualify you as severely mentally impaired (this is different from a specific learning disability such as dyslexia). Therefore, you probably should not have received council tax exemption for disability. However, full time students are exempt from paying council tax. Once your course has ended, I recommend that you contact your local council and ask for a reassessment, so that you don't end up with arrears caused by misunderstanding.

SozeTHC

kingfisherblue wrote: »

You have given several examples of complex language here.


In the examples that Alice quoted, my son would understand basic language most of the time (although we have to repeat and explain things at times, and he wouldn't understand 3 o'clock, as he cannot tell the time). However, he wouldn't understand the sentence about the cup of tea with a splash of milk etc. There are simply too many words for him to grasp and follow. He might get part of it - either the beginning or the end - but the rest would be lost. It may not be complex to you, but that is precisely why you didn't get any points for complex language. For most people, a longer sentence can be understood if it has a simple subject matter (and I'm not looking at academic language such as that used on university courses). For some people, a long sentence with a simple subject matter is too complicated for them to understand.


If you are at university, it can be assumed that you are able to follow longer, more detailed sentences, and by your own admission, the example given is not complex to you. However, it is classed as complex for the PIP clause that it is relating to. You therefore do not qualify. Put very simply, it is a sentence with two or more parts, containing more than one piece of information. Therefore, for the purposes of PIP, it is classed as complex.


Regarding the council tax, my son is in full time education, so I don't have to pay it for him yet. He is classed as having 'severe mental impairment', so he will be exempt. Although he has just turned 18, he cannot vote as he has a severe learning disability ('severe mental impairment'). Presumably you do not have a learning disability that would qualify you as severely mentally impaired (this is different from a specific learning disability such as dyslexia). Therefore, you probably should not have received council tax exemption for disability. However, full time students are exempt from paying council tax. Once your course has ended, I recommend that you contact your local council and ask for a reassessment, so that you don't end up with arrears caused by misunderstanding.

I feel I have made it clear that I had an issue with what complex meant. I felt that having to need support to complete my Uni course with aids and tutor support would be considered complex. Now after Alice posted the relevant information I can see that I understand complex information ONLY due to the way PIP describe complex. With what most people describe as complex I do not understand so easy, but according to the DWP that is not there definition of complex, I have accepted that and there doesn't really need to be discussion on that any more, imo.

With regards to the council Tax Exemption, you are all assuming that I must have got this due to a mistake. I guess you can only assume this due to rather your own personal circumstances which in no way shape or form resemble mine, or your basing it of the fact I am claiming PIP due to Anxiety & Depression.
I do unfortunately have other issues, which is why I cannot live alone.

If I was the lucky 0.0001% that got exemption through a "lax" doc then what can I say, I HAD NO SAY IN THE EXEMPTION. And like you have said, as a student I would be exempt anyway now, I also have no issue with having to pay my CT when the time comes I am not exempt. I do not want to have to ever rely on the system after having being failed by it for years (I was also in care). Unfortunately for me I could very much do with the support I am entitled to at this moment to help me be the person who can pay back into the system again. We all know this PIP system is designed to make people fail, as it does. I just wanted to know if I was being shafted with regards to that particular descriptor.