PIP Info?

paragon909

SozeTHC wrote: »

It is not bitterness. It was supposed to be sarcasm. It was supposed to show the contrast between DLA which went of Medical Info and PIP which is based more so on an assessment which is designed to make you fail, IMO.
I feel its also biased towards those who are trying to combat their illness, most people will question how I can receive PIP and go Uni, when the only reason I could go uni was because of then DLA. To pass on the descriptors you pretty much have to say you are useless and that you cannot do anything by yourself. And by trying to combat these issues your are directly penalized.

And I am not implying your are useless due to passing the PIP. Though I feel you are really lucky to be awarded specially based on paper. Do you have much contact with specialists and such with regards to your problems?

Actually I don't. I went to like 5 CBT sessions and withdraw-ed because it was causing me to much stress.

I'm still in the process of getting my anxiety under control, Medication is constantly getting changed.

SozeTHC

@Kingfisherblue, again It was an attempt at sarcasm based on how the assessment is structured. I guess it would be an oxymoron for me to say you need to be a vegetable when I am clearly not and feel I meet the descriptors on some level.

As for complex information, in general I have learned through patterns and help how to to write and converse, although that OP took around 5 hours to get right. I have also since a young age had an interest in writing and as a kid wrote a book and have wrote scripts, previous to being on a film/tv course where I write scripts too. So by having this obsession I have learned on a pretty successful basis to learn how to understand things I know but when it comes to new things such as forms and bills and now at uni, briefs and such I do need help, for which i do get tutor and specialist equipment support. Its prolly what constitutes complex information that confuses me. I guess the fact "Complex" is subjective towards the individual is the cause of issue.

@Alice, I have been through all the information prior to posting here, thank you still. I have been through this process with ESA before and I did win on a MR but I guess the anxiety of the situation makes it all difficult. And again with the diary, it would not be something I could do, its hard for me to accept the stuff and its this reason that has affected pretty much most of my issues with DWP and in life generally.

@Paragon, were you thorough on the form, like an idiot I tried to fill mine out alone and was not forthcoming, again kind of have problems accepting stuff. I thought I would be able to discuss my issues in person but the women who assessed me brushed over everything and when I tried to provide evidence she said that it is not on the form so we don't need to discuss it.

FBaby

The problem is that if you expect the assessor to grant you points just -or mainly- on the basis of what you claim (rather than evidenced by medical professionals), then you need to be consistent.

As KingFisher pointed, what you claim some of your issues are is not consistent with what you are showing you are able to do. You say in your first post that that you struggle understanding complex text at Uni, yet you have posted how you've reviewed the law about flights delay entitlement and even cite a extract of law to make your point that is without a doubt quite complex.

No poster here can decide whether your assessment was correct or not, we don't know you. The only advice that can be given is to appeal.

SozeTHC

I did not expect the assessor to grant me points or base the test on what I said solely, I expected them to do the correct thing and contact my Doctor. But saying that, the woman was in a way proof reading her stuff back to me and I clearly remember her saying "so you need prompting to eat", but the decision would completely contradict that, guess the report will be interesting.
They ignored the fact I had received DLA for the past 7 years due to my eating issues yet passed me for the 4 points in mobility using my DLA as evidence. I have been on ESA, DLA etc for a few years and I have never needed to go out of my way to get evidence as they usually contacted my doctor.

Now I am not trying to fit into the descriptors I am just struggling to understand the meaning of "Complex" in this situation. You point out my posts on here and with the Flight Delay team but maybe you are unaware that I have equipment and programs that help me formulate stuff correctly and with regards to the flight stuff, that extract was a direct quote as I was told this was what I should be looking at, infact I had to give the claim to Bott in the end as I never got understanding in the situation.

I guess I feel that college/uni standard briefs would be considered complex to me as I have to get support to understand them. It could just be I don't understand some "complex" language but seem to do well communicating it. Again, its the definition of complex that confuses me.

And you can decide whether is right or not (in your opinion), if you have been assessed with the same issues and you were successful that would be good information, obviously you can only go off what I've posted.
As for me this whole assessment makes me question whether I'm just a "being a !!!!!" or do have problems (although my issues are well documented). I guess that's the anxiety, after denying my issues for so long to the detriment of my life and those around, it was hard to accept I needed help, and then when I decided to accept help, its like I get told via these assessments that I'm perfectly fine although my doc has a dif opinion.

The problem with this process is it is designed to make people fail. Fact is they wouldn't need to pay companies for hire millions of pounds to do something a Doctor already gets paid to do.

nannytone_2

SozeTHC wrote: »

There is some kind of exemption you get if your illness is not likely to go away soon. They (HousingBenefit) have to write to your GP who confirms or denies this. This is something you HAVE to ask for, they will not tell you about it.

There's also getting the one room rate LHA too. Something you have to ask about, I was informed about this a few months ago although having been entitled to it for years. Not knowing is not good enough reason to them.

can you quote the source of this information regarding council tax as there are hundreds of thousands of people needlessly paying council tax!

you may be referring to a reduction of 1 band of your home has been adapted because of disability.

in your circumstances, you are exempt because you are a full time student and nothing to do with illness/disability

SozeTHC

My home is in lowest band, I did mention that I live with somebody else, I am exempt from Council Tax, but not the home I live in.
So the other person does pay albeit at a reduced rate.
My home hasn't been adapted and is private rent.
Hopefully that helps.

Alice_Holt

This may help you with the PIP definition of "complex" communication for activities 7 & 8:

Taken from the PIP assessment guide.
Activity 7 -
"Basic verbal information is information conveyed in a simple sentence. Examples of
a simple sentence: “Can I help you?”; “I would like tea please”; “I came home
today”; “The time is 3 o’clock.”

Complex verbal information is information conveyed in either more than one
sentence or one complicated sentence, for example: “I would like tea please, just a
splash of milk and no sugar, as I always have sweeteners with me for when I go
out.”

Verbal information can include information that is interpreted from verbal into nonverbal
form or vice-versa – for example, speech interpreted through sign language
or into written text.

Communication support means support from another person trained or experienced
in communicating with people with specific communication needs (for example, a
sign language interpreter); or someone directly experienced in communicating with
the claimant themselves (for example, a family member).
Individuals who cannot express or understand verbal information and would need
communication support to do so should receive the appropriate descriptor even if
they do not have access to this support. For example, a deaf person who cannot
communicate verbally and does not use sign language might need another person
to support them in another way – such as by writing verbal information down – even
if they do not routinely have such help.

The ability to lip read is not a consideration for this activity.
Note: The ability to remember and retain information is not within the scope of this
activity e.g. relevant to those with dementia or learning disabilities."

Taken from the PIP assessment guide.
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/449043/pip-assessment-guide.pdf
Page 106-8.

Re activity 8 (Reading) the assessment guide defines complex as:
"Complex information is more than one sentence of written or printed standard size
text – e.g. “Your home may be at risk if you do not keep up repayments on your
mortgage or any other debt secured on it. Subject to terms and conditions.”"
Page 109.

paragon909

SozeTHC wrote: »

My home is in lowest band, I did mention that I live with somebody else, I am exempt from Council Tax, but not the home I live in.
So the other person does pay albeit at a reduced rate.
My home hasn't been adapted and is private rent.
Hopefully that helps.

Council tax exemption is band Z I believe, You either need to have permanent mental disability and this needs signed off by a doctor or have a home adapted for a persons disability, Unless your on the tenancy for the property then you wouldn't be required to pay council tax only the listed tenant.

SozeTHC

Sorry Sammy didnt see your post.

TBH its that PIP/DLA meant I could live somewhere that didn't directly affect my illness and with support. University was not a choice, it was rather 15 hours at WRAG doing mandated job searches in a room full of people which made my condition worse and resulted in me acting out, Or go university which helps me into work, which is what i want. I do like 2 hours a week there and work from home, no exams and pretty much all standard actual work that translates into the industry.

Me being able to do that has enabled me to do everything else. But having DLA/PIP also entitles me to support from university and grants via DSA and Special Support Grant and specialist equipment, and would also allow me to stay where I am, which in my case is very important.

TBH it would be hard for you to understand unless I were to divulge personal info which I ain't too comfortable doing. My situation as with all mental ones in unique to me.

nannytone_2

SozeTHC wrote: »

My home is in lowest band, I did mention that I live with somebody else, I am exempt from Council Tax, but not the home I live in.
So the other person does pay albeit at a reduced rate.
My home hasn't been adapted and is private rent.
Hopefully that helps.

it is your student status that exempts you from paying council tax and not your disability