Makes my blood boil

agarnett

Oh well, prima donnas at top and bottom of the NHS, eh? Don'tcha just love 'em?
"Well off" is a relative term. It is easy to lose sight of where along the spectrum you might be.

Edit: couldn't resist returning to this one following a re-read of my most recent detractor ... mollycat might certainly not be fortuitous - I am sure he was conceived with loving care and planning like WR's and chucknorris' careers, so he's fortunate, but his pension? Well that's another matter.

nearlyrich

Muscle750 wrote: »

. Something doesnt exactly seem fair to me ill look forward to been ripped to pieces in following posts

Who said life is fair ? It isn't but looking at what other people have doesn't help. There will be people in the world who envy what you have simple things like freedom of speech access to clean water etc etc

agarnett

Who said life is fair ? It isn't but looking at what other people have doesn't help. There will be people in the world who envy what you have simple things like freedom of speech access to clean water etc etc

That bit I've bolded made me smile

I think actually that looking at what [STRIKE]other[/STRIKE] people have is very much part of the function of good government, and looking at what they do not have is of equal importance i.e. weighing the relative well-being of the haves and the have nots is a balance which is the responsibility of government to maintain on a fair and even keel - our government - not yours, nor mine, but ours.

Imbalances need prompt rectification.

saver861

agarnett wrote: »

Wrong! I know my posts get a bit long,

hmmm ... you could have a point there!!

agarnett wrote: »

but a little earlier today I did say I made my choice out of university based on the pension being as good as the public sector one (which it once was -

Sooo, private sector pensions were as good as public sector way back then .... and private sector had the enhanced wage over their equivalent public sector counterpart .....

So private sector had cake and icing .... What a surprise that choice was private sector ..... shocks ....

agarnett

saver861 wrote: »

Sooo, private sector pensions were as good as public sector way back then .... and private sector had the enhanced wage over their equivalent public sector counterpart .....

So private sector had cake and icing .... What a surprise that choice was private sector ..... shocks ....

You are perhaps so busy with all that cake stuck to your gums, or the prospect of it, that you failed to bite on my suggestion that it was a predominance of the also rans that ended up filling the vacancies in the public sector. So if you've ended up in a better position than smarter more employable peers who deserved more to start and were offered it in the private sector, then you've caught up nicely, haven't you? (now don't choke on that bombshell!)

But if you are able to tell us that you turned down private sector offers which on paper were worth more than public sector, including an at least comparable non-contributory contracted out pension scheme, then that's more the basis of an interesting discussion of where we went wrong, perhaps?

agarnett

Anyway, I ought to bow out and let Muscle750 have his thread back - good thread though - and very important to the future of UK. As I do so, I would say take a look at Greece and see what a top heavy public sector with too generous pensions, and what low personal taxation can do to a country.

Muscle750

At the end of the day if you took two people earning exactly the same money for the same period of time say 40 years one in the private and one in the public i know which one would be smiling on retirement day and that is where its wrong it wouldnt be so bad if the difference was slight but its not its miles apart. Plus us in the private sector are paying for the public sector pensions which is wrong

BobQ

Muscle750 wrote: »

Ive found out that someone i know who was in the civil service for all of their working life and did do very well in their career is now retired on a £100k a year pension, for lets say not exactly what you would have to contribute in the private sector to have such a return.
Im in the private sector work 50 plus hours a week have been in the company pension scheme now some 25 years with the delights of the final salary been pulled from under our feet years ago and my latest forcast is nothing short of shocking i contribute 5% as do the company yet with 12 years left before i can retire at 67 ill be lucky to see £15k a year.................meanwhile ill keep funding the public sector gold plate pensions along with every other mug in the private sector.
I also have my own pension with the pru which also isnt looking that great sadly mainly because i cant afford to throw vast sums of money at it and never have been able to
The transfer value as of now is just over £70k the company pot stands at around £38k................Sorry if you think im going on but it just infuriates me along with many others. Only got to look at plight of the steel workers etc

These are the current pay of the top Civil Servants. It is very likely that those undertaking these roles would also do well in the private sector. As you can see few of them earn anywhere near £200K

Someone who did "very well" might reach Permanent Secretary and run a Department like Work and Pensions. They might be paid £150K

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/62343/high-earners-pay_0.csv/preview

So a pension of that size seems improbable. Maybe they had a career starting at aged 16.

Are you sure he did not say his income was £100K rather than his pension?

Muscle750

we are no further forward after a day and five pages of "input" however at least we can talk about it

hyubh

Muscle750 wrote: »

what id like to know is whose going to keep all these flooding into our country from europe when they reach retiring age if theyre still here. If theyve worked etc they will deserve something in return but many seem to be "not interested"

Muscle750 wrote: »

Fire fighters...............kicking off because they cant get at their pensions early because they cant work till normal age ...............utter rubbish

You're such a charmer. Supersize chip on the shoulder - tick. Witless xenophobia - tick. Inability to write proper English when English is your native (and presumably only) language - tick. (Apostrophes and initial capital letters - look them up.)