Makes my blood boil

mollycat

To agarnett

Next time you are up at A&E, remember and tell the people that are working hard to save your, (or your loved ones), lives that you think they are parasites.

Obviously that goes for the people that put out any house fires you have, any muggers you might need arrested, or any rubbish you need picked up from outside your house.

Bit easier to do from behind a keyboard I bet.

Muscle750

what id like to know is whose going to keep all these flooding into our country from europe when they reach retiring age if theyre still here. If theyve worked etc they will deserve something in return but many seem to be "not interested"

chucknorris

agarnett wrote: »

If that is true then you are also insulting people - as for lacking class, that is the single most important thing we need to get rid of in UK society - class distiction and dillusions of class!

You too have your own patard, I see ... suggest if you really wish to hang on to it for self gratification purposes, you keep it out of sight

You've done it again, way off the mark! I come from a working class background, I started working as an apprentice in a shipyard, I left school with almost no qualifications (although I did make up for that later in life). When I referred to class, I meant your lack of manners and being uncouth. Nothing at all to do with the outdated class system which you refer to (we can definitely agree on that, there is no class system anymore, or at least there shouldn't be, it only survives in teh minds of small minded people)

Muscle750

mollycat wrote: »

To agarnett

Next time you are up at A&E, remember and tell the people that are working hard to save your, (or your loved ones), lives that you think they are parasites.

Obviously that goes for the people that put out any house fires you have, any muggers you might need arrested, or any rubbish you need picked up from outside your house.

Bit easier to do from behind a keyboard I bet.

Fire fighters...............kicking off because they cant get at their pensions early because they cant work till normal age ...............utter rubbish

chucknorris

Muscle750 wrote: »

Multi millionaire but i went back to work to gain a public sector pension and put back something into society..............what a thoughtful man.

I also did unpaid (obviously) voluntary work at dog rescue centres before that, when I retire in December, I plan to do that again (1 or 2 days a week).

EDIT: one of my passions in life is to help to give dogs a second chance in life, both our current dog and our first dog were rescue dogs. I think it is a great thing to do, and I want to be part of the system which provides this service. I also donate to the dogs trust and the last chance rescue centre. When I die they will do quite well out of my will.

uk1

It's a bit of a shame that these things are seen in such polarised ways.

I don't begrudge any decent person getting a decent pension after a hard working life. I think we can all agree though that some of the people at the very top of these public organisations have salaries that seem unjustified.

I remember for example the head of the organisation that hands out mobility vehicles getting an extraordinary salary and bonus for what is essentially a business where customers are desperate to be customers and suppliers desperate to be suppliers. I wish I had a job where I needn't bother either about customers or suppliers!

It does seem to me sometimes that the government has let this get out of hand. It seems they forget that we go to prison if we don't pay our taxes, and it should therefore be reasonable for us to expect them to spend our cash more carefully. It is the same as blaming Google for not paying taxes. It isn't Google's fault, they are doing what their owners expect of them. It is the government not making appropriate tax laws we should be angry with.

There is nothing wrong with the people being paid inappropriately or receiving generous pensions, it is the people that allow it to happen that we should be angry with.

Jeff

mollycat

Muscle750 wrote: »

Fire fighters...............kicking off because they cant get at their pensions early because they cant work till normal age ...............utter rubbish

Now I know you're trolling, suspected it from the start!

You got me good and proper!

Now feel a bit foolish for thinking all of that disgusting bile was actually what you thought :rotfl: :rotfl:

Muscle750

I wont mention doctors in hospitals either I know one who if off duty and has to go in and sign a death certificate gets paid very well for doing so.

agarnett

Mollycat, you only had one thought when you saw me use the word parasite. Not your fault, and sorry for the offence you have taken.

Google it - I did in order to check it before I used it in order to be sure its formal meaning was not derogatory. I will admit deliberately using it for its emotive connotations but its actual meaning is very nearly spot on in the pensions context I think, if you don't take to much offence at what "host" might be.

I apologise in advance if you are truly of sensitive disposition (I think you can feign it but your job suggests otherwise!), so my next is something I am afraid I couldn't resist typing with tongue firmly in cheek:

If I am reincarnated as a leech, then maybe I won't mind if I can do some good in a hospital;)

Seriously, though, mollycat, you must realise where i am coming from in many of my points in support of Muscle750's important thread?

With regard to A&E, apart from the busy periods when the druggies and the drunks block the system and abuse the staff, A&E departments are the last bastion of the great British stiff upper lip. Almost every sober person huddled together in those stupidly small waiting areas gets chatting in hushed tones, as if in a Church, about the politics of the NHS - that's maybe because persons with suspected appendicitis who are in pain are left for hours hoping from foot to foot, refusing chairs standing leaning against walls or their worried husbands, young people with scarey symptoms are also left standing quietly because they give up their chairs to elders. a large number are there because there is no proper GP service.

I have accompanied a number of friends and family over the years to A&E, and had one occasion myself to seek help - which was a total waste of A&E time, but the system sent me there for a stitch in my stiff upper lip after I slipped and banged it! Actually it was my lower lip! Walk in centres don't do stitches. Too risky for their Professional Indemnity insurance I guess. Don't do blood tests either - but then neither do NHS GPs generally except as a last resort. Its often the first thing a GP does in Europe to help with a diagnosis, of course.

The UK system, even during periods when not under obvious strain, is worrying.

I have little doubt that someone like yourself would always be an asset to NHS in whatever form it presented itself to the customers, but right now, you are part of a broken machine. And when you leave it, it'll still be broken, but you'll feel you've earned your comfortable (relatively) pension a bit like some earn MBE's and we say yep she deserved it. Fair enough, but ... there's a lot in NHS, and again I know from experience and you will too, many are not there to constantly act in the interest of patients. Or if they are, there are a lot who are too fearful to, for example, sign a paper that keeps an OAP in a bed for an extra night or two, when the bed manager has hinted strongly that the bed can be vacated and the OAP sent back into the care of their GP. All shades of personality working in the NHS may get the same as you - do they deserve it as much as you?

We're really talking more about you being one of those fortuitously employed with a good pension as opposed to you particularly deserving more than a private sector employee, aren't we? Or are private sector employees broadly of low intellect and bad character so undeserving?

mollycat

For the second time, I'm out this thread.

A few final points.

1. I know you're trolling; well done, (Yawn).

2. I don't need to be educated on the definition of parasite. Used in the way, (you say) you meant it remains offensive.

3. Vast majority of public sector pensioners will not be "well off" in old age, so no I don't think I am "fortuitous".

4. I'm a bloke.

5. Bye.