POPLA - ANPR - Parking Eye

beamerguy

JohnnyInamoto wrote: »

Thanks for all the advice. My brain's getting overloaded now. So I cannot add any new arguments to my defence, but I can refute any evidence the parking operator has submitted?

Ok, so I'm scanning their evidence pack with a fine tooth comb and I found this line piece of text:

They've provided no back up for this. Would it be plausible for me to dispute this and possibly ask POPLA to ask Parking Eye for evidence to back this up, and ask that I can come up with evidence to show the opposite? This would give me the opportunity to submit the pdf that I linked to in the original forum post...?

They forgot to add that the following DO NOT issue parking tickets

"NTP technology assures accurate synchronization to the millisecond of computer clock times in a network of computers. Institutions that use NTP technology include; NASDAQ, Buckingham Palace, GlaxoSmithKline, Deutsche Bank and the Bank of England."


It may well give accurate synchronization to the millisecond but the system does not recognize (identify (someone or something) from having encountered them before) .... THAT IS THE PARKING EYE PROBLEM AND FAILURE ?

It does not matter if Mark Carney of the Bank of England goes in and out 20 times within an hour 8 period he is not subject to the scam is he ?
ANPR no doubt does it's job with the above companies but as Parking Eye well know, their ANPR cameras double dip in private car parks and to that extent what they are saying is rubbish, I mean does anyone know anyone who got an £85 charge in Buckingham Palace. ????

They are getting mixed up with security and their scam, shameful they think the public are so gullible, shame on you Parking Eye, you could not make this rubbish up ??? well Parking Eye does.

If Parking Eye really think what they do is so perfect, let them prove it with camera logs for that day ...... no proof ... no case
THE PARKING EYE ANPR IS FLAWED AND AS THIS IS HAPPENING MORE AND MORE, THEY MUST PROVE EVERYTHING

What a hell of a scam Parking Eye operate

Guys_Dad

Got an Android phone with Google Maps and location set on? Then that should have recorded your trips on the day in question.

JohnnyInamoto

They forgot to add that the following DO NOT issue parking tickets

"NTP technology assures accurate synchronization to the millisecond of computer clock times in a network of computers. Institutions that use NTP technology include; NASDAQ, Buckingham Palace, GlaxoSmithKline, Deutsche Bank and the Bank of England."


It may well give accurate synchronization to the millisecond but the system does not recognize (identify (someone or something) from having encountered them before) .... THAT IS THE PARKING EYE PROBLEM AND FAILURE ?

It does not matter if Mark Carney of the Bank of England goes in and out 20 times within an hour 8 period he is not subject to the scam is he ?
ANPR no doubt does it's job with the above companies but as Parking Eye well know, their ANPR cameras double dip in private car parks and to that extent what they are saying is rubbish, I mean does anyone know anyone who got an £85 charge in Buckingham Palace. ????

They are getting mixed up with security and their scam, shameful they think the public are so gullible, shame on you Parking Eye, you could not make this rubbish up ??? well Parking Eye does.

If Parking Eye really think what they do is so perfect, let them prove it with camera logs for that day ...... no proof ... no case
THE PARKING EYE ANPR IS FLAWED AND AS THIS IS HAPPENING MORE AND MORE, THEY MUST PROVE EVERYTHING

What a hell of a scam Parking Eye operate

Yeah. I had no idea what I was dealing with until now. It hit me when they sent there evidence in and said that I was lying. Couldn't believe it.

By what you're saying, I assume I can't help myself with POPLA now? There's nothing in their evidence I can technically refute?

I do also think it's a bit out of order for the defendant to provide evidence first and not be allowed to counter the operator's evidence. The operator can just look at your evidence and decide what to do. It's a clear advantage over newbies like me that didn't know what I was doing until it was too late.

Got an Android phone with Google Maps and location set on? Then that should have recorded your trips on the day in question.

Thanks for this. I didn't know it recorded. It's not very accurate though. I've included the image below. The red arrows are the entrance and exit of the car park and the X is where I parked. It looks like I was floating around the area. Even flew over the roundabout

Image:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1pbj9XVQg0GZEpyb0hLSVRtZlU/view?usp=sharing

Northlakes

Well done! It does look like the vehicle in which you were travelling went in and out twice. Driver A went in first time then Driver B went in the second time.

Do it this way and you don't fall foul of the no return in 2 hour rule which can only apply to one driver.

fisherjim

JohnnyInamoto wrote: »

Yeah. I had no idea what I was dealing with until now. It hit me when they sent there evidence in and said that I was lying. Couldn't believe it.

By what you're saying, I assume I can't help myself with POPLA now? There's nothing in their evidence I can technically refute?

I do also think it's a bit out of order for the defendant to provide evidence first and not be allowed to counter the operator's evidence. The operator can just look at your evidence and decide what to do. It's a clear advantage over newbies like me that didn't know what I was doing until it was too late.



Thanks for this. I didn't know it recorded. It's not very accurate though. I've included the image below. The red arrows are the entrance and exit of the car park and the X is where I parked. It looks like I was floating around the area. Even flew over the roundabout

Image:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1pbj9XVQg0GZEpyb0hLSVRtZlU/view?usp=sharing

I agree with Northlakes, discounting the slight inaccuracy in exact positioning, it clearly shows you went in and out twice.

JohnnyInamoto

Northlakes wrote: »

Well done! It does look like the vehicle in which you were travelling went in and out twice. Driver A went in first time then Driver B went in the second time.

Do it this way and you don't fall foul of the no return in 2 hour rule which can only apply to one driver.

fisherjim wrote: »

I agree with Northlakes, discounting the slight inaccuracy in exact positioning, it clearly shows you went in and out twice.

Thanks guys. The problem I have now is, I can't admit any more evidence to POPLA. I have a few bits of evidence now that helps my case that I've stumbled on too late.

From what I've read so far in this thread, the only thing I can do in this POPLA case is to challenge the evidence that Parking Eye have provided. But I don't know what I can challenge.

If I take your attention back to the quote they gave...

ParkingEye’s ANPR (Automatic Number Plate Recognition) images are time-stamped and use NTP server technology to ensure that the accuracy of our systems is checked regularly. In essence, NTP technology assures accurate synchronization to the millisecond of computer clock times in a network of computers. Institutions that use NTP technology include; NASDAQ, Buckingham Palace, GlaxoSmithKline, Deutsche Bank and the Bank of England. We firmly believe that these time-stamped images, taken at the second of the vehicle entering and exiting the car park, are accurate.

Is there anything I can do? I have to do it this week and I'd really prefer not to go to court.

Northlakes

Yes you can by rebutting PE's evidence.
You can say,
'I dispute the accuracy of the ANPR evidence submitted by PE. My android phone Google Maps records for the day in question clearly show that the vehicle in which I travelled entered and departed that car park twice.
Driver A on the first occasion and Driver B on the second occasion.
PE's records are wholly inaccurate as shown by the Google Maps record of events.'

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1pbj9XVQg0GZEpyb0hLSVRtZlU/view?usp=sharing

Will your phone time stamp that picture?

To my mind that's not new evidence it's just backing up what you stated earlier in your POPLA appeal.
I would think a printed record of the Google maps would be required.

How's that for starters and then you go on to rebut anything else. POPLA isn't a court but an independent adjudicator.

fisherjim

"Thanks for this. I didn't know it recorded. It's not very accurate though".

Just another thought; if you go back to the Google Maps record of the day in question on your phone, and then drag up the date from the bottom, you will see that there is a complete timed record including mileage, and driving time of every movement you made that day in list form.

A far better piece of evidence if it ever got to court than PE's missing records!

JohnnyInamoto

Northlakes wrote: »

Yes you can by rebutting PE's evidence.
You can say,
'I dispute the accuracy of the ANPR evidence submitted by PE. My android phone Google Maps records for the day in question clearly show that the vehicle in which I travelled entered and departed that car park twice.
Driver A on the first occasion and Driver B on the second occasion.
PE's records are wholly inaccurate as shown by the Google Maps record of events.'

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1pbj9XVQg0GZEpyb0hLSVRtZlU/view?usp=sharing

Will your phone time stamp that picture?

To my mind that's not new evidence it's just backing up what you stated earlier in your POPLA appeal.
I would think a printed record of the Google maps would be required.

How's that for starters and then you go on to rebut anything else. POPLA isn't a court but an independent adjudicator.

fisherjim wrote: »

"Thanks for this. I didn't know it recorded. It's not very accurate though".

Just another thought; if you go back to the Google Maps record of the day in question on your phone, and then drag up the date from the bottom, you will see that there is a complete timed record including mileage, and driving time of every movement you made that day in list form.

A far better piece of evidence if it ever got to court than PE's missing records!

Thanks for this guys. Just going through it, I don't think it will be accepted.

Parking Eye have photos of me entering at 6:44 and exiting at 8:26. Google Maps doesn't even have me in the car park until 7:15. Have a look:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1pbj9XVQg0GWXJNSE41OWNFNmc/view?usp=sharing

Holiday Inn is the carpark. I'm gutted. I really thought there was some evidence

Thanks for helping though guys. Looks like I'm going to have to take them to court

Northlakes

What time zone is your phone set to?

What date? Clocks changed from BST?