Psychic readings

Jagraf

takman wrote: »

If someone rang you up from an energy company wanting you to switch to them. In the call they claimed that their gas and electricity is superior to other gas and electricity and you will use less than you would from other suppliers. Now even though you have never seen any evidence of this, would you believe it?. The logical thing to do would be to ask them to provide evidence of this and you won't believe their claims until they do.

Yet what your proposing is that you believe someone who is telling you messages that come from dead relatives or unknown sources. Why would you believe them without any evidence?.

But everyone believes things without evidence surely? You believe the foundations to your house are built properly, you believe that security checks are done before a flight, you believe the dentist really is a dentist. In some things you have faith. But there are frauds too. Do I believe there are genuine psychics - probably. Do I believe there are fraudsters definitely. Do I think what I believe is better than what others believe - no.

no1catman

lovinituk wrote: »

What I find difficult to understand is why otherwise seemingly intelligent people believe in psychics and similar mumbo jumbo, even when presented with evidence that it's all make believe / a trick / not widely proven / etc. There is plenty of evidence in this thread alone.

On the contrary - there is plenty of evidence - judging some people's experience - that it can be valid, just because others say it is false doesn't make it so.

System

Surely to be a true psychic sidekick you'd have to have some sort of hardware in your brain to receive the signals, like a WiFi dongle

no1catman

Out,_Vile_Jelly wrote: »

If there is "another side" I will spend my afterlife approaching mediums and singing Wuthering Heights to their audiences.

Why do the spirits of famous people from history never come through? Why can't we ask Charles Dickens how he intended his final (unfinished) novel to end for example?

Those that come through will have a connection with the person getting the message. It may be from a relative, or a neighbour, or someone you worked with, or indeed went to school with. If any of those connections are 'famous' then yes, otherwise no.

Person_one

Jagraf wrote: »

But even you BB believe things without evidence surely? You believe the foundations to your house are built properly, you believe that security checks are done before a flight, you believe the dentist really is a dentist.

There is evidence for all that though.

I believe my house is built properly because regulations were in place when it was built, I had a survey when I bought it, and because its still standing and there are no signs such as cracks to indicate it might not be properly built. Those things are evidence.

I believe security checks are done before a flight because I see some of them being done with my own eyes, and because rules exist in law to say others should be done, and because the vast majority of flights land safely with no security problems. Those things are evidence.

I believe my dentist really is a dentist because he has his certificates and registration on the wall, because the professional body regulates dentists and stops them practicing if they aren't qualified, and because he does a good job which suggests he's had the right training. Those things are evidence.

Peter333

reehsetin wrote: »

This is why I disbelieve them all, if you were that one psychic with a genuine ability you would work to prove you are different from the fakes - including working with scientists and people like James Randi (win a million whilst you're at it too!)
If a genuine person is indistinguishable from a fraud then what use are they?

Despite some people believing that someone with a psychic ability can know what you're thinking, or know the lottery numbers; it's not about that; it's more about relating to or denoting faculties or phenomena that are apparently inexplicable by natural laws.

When someone says to someone who claims to have psychic abilities 'what am I thinking then?' or 'tell me the lottery numbers then!' it shows their ignorance and lack of knowledge on the subject.

System

Surely the spirit/vodka world could help charities win the lottery...

Jagraf

Person_one wrote: »

There is evidence for all that though.

I believe my house is built properly because regulations were in place when it was built, I had a survey when I bought it, and because its still standing and there are no signs such as cracks to indicate it might not be properly built. Those things are evidence.

I believe security checks are done before a flight because I see some of them being done with my own eyes, and because rules exist in law to say others should be done, and because the vast majority of flights land safely with no security problems. Those things are evidence.

I believe my dentist really is a dentist because he has his certificates and registration on the wall, because the professional body regulates dentists and stops them practicing if they aren't qualified, and because he does a good job which suggests he's had the right training. Those things are evidence.

That isn't evidence, that's taking a leap of faith based on what you think had been done, and weighing up your own experiences. What you see, hear, and think is guiding you towards a belief.

Person_one

Jagraf wrote: »

That isn't evidence, that's taking a leap of faith based on what you think had been done, and weighing up your own experiences. What you see, hear, and think is guiding you towards a belief.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=evidence&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&gfe_rd=cr&ei=VCtHV9iREofW8AejmLmADA

BarryBlue

no1catman wrote: »

It's irrelevant what Derren Brown thinks, just because he can 'fake' doesn't mean all do. I've never met any from a 'show business' background.
Having seen Randi in action, I wouldn't trust him, to give a fair trial, I remember a trial on TV the medium was brought read a selected guy. Only trouble was that he gave a reading to the cameraman - who validated it (he needed the reading more than the selected guy), but of course Randi disallowed that!

And of course the rest of your diatribe is just your opinion.

So it is irrelevant that these scammers have been proven to be just that. You are clutching at straws here. Not one of them has ever been able to show what they are doing is genuine. They rely on the gullible and vulnerable to put hope over evidence to keep them in business. It is not opinion at all, it is the truth. Unless, of course you can provide evidence of just one who has been proven to be genuine. No? Thought not.;)

no1catman wrote: »

Those that come through will have a connection with the person getting the message. It may be from a relative, or a neighbour, or someone you worked with, or indeed went to school with. If any of those connections are 'famous' then yes, otherwise no.

Funny how they only ever 'come through' to some dodgy bloke with the gift of the gab in a theatrical setting, isn't it? And funny how the 'spirits' never actually contact the person who wants the message. Really, it is just so far fetched that it can only ever be a scam. You are welcome to continue to believe all this stuff, as many do, but it is just a form of entertainment at best, and a cruel hoax at worst.

Person_one wrote: »

There is evidence for all that though.

I believe my house is built properly because regulations were in place when it was built, I had a survey when I bought it, and because its still standing and there are no signs such as cracks to indicate it might not be properly built. Those things are evidence.

I believe security checks are done before a flight because I see some of them being done with my own eyes, and because rules exist in law to say others should be done, and because the vast majority of flights land safely with no security problems. Those things are evidence.

I believe my dentist really is a dentist because he has his certificates and registration on the wall, because the professional body regulates dentists and stops them practicing if they aren't qualified, and because he does a good job which suggests he's had the right training. Those things are evidence.

Of course you believe all those things. It is verifiable in each case. Such matters have no relationship to psychic claims at all because they are unverifiable, and in fact can be proven to be nonsense. The 'speak to the dead' brigade really are struggling to come up with anything remotely credible now.

The truth is that, no matter how much evidence you can show someone for a situation, you will never convince them if they are determined to believe the opposite because it suits them. That's just life, I'm afraid, and the reason why people still fall for all manner of scams and cons.