BREXIT - vote leave for lower house prices

leveller2911

brit1234 wrote: »

I'm pro EU but David Cameroon and the IMF saying house prices will fall if we leave is tempting me to vote leave.

Oh dear never mind. I'm pro European but very anti EU..You've just gone down in my estimation Brit.........I thought you was OK up until you posted that.....;)

I just don't agree with pretty much every thing vote leave says.

You have posted for years about the over inflated house prices and you think staying i the EU will bring down prices?.No Govt in the past 30yrs has built enough houses and now with an extra 320,000 people coming to live in the UK each year you think staying in will solve the shortage of housing.

In your dreams.

I'm the exact opposite of you, I can't agree with anything the remain camp say. If we leave we will see WW3 and a plague of locusts. :rotfl:


What we will definitely see if we vote to remain is the death of the NHS ...........

I guess they are trying to scare the older generation who own lots of property and more likely to vote and also vote leave. However they are accidentally tempting the younger generations to vote out who normally would vote stay.

Yay, agree with you there...........:D

leveller2911

Miss_Samantha wrote: »

No one knows the details, but I think incorrect to claim that no one knows whether it will be positive or negative overall.

The is no doubt that it will be negative overall.

Do you see any negative at all in remaining given the huge elephant in the room that is the Euro and the migrant crisis which the EU has been shown to be lacking in the skills needed to address both?.

The EU have failed to address the problems with the currency and although the UK isn't in the Euro any problems associated with the currency directly affect our trade with the Eurozone.

I loved Daniel Hannan's view that "The UK is looking to link itself with one of the only 2 places on the Earth that's not seeing any growth which is the EU and the Antarctic"...........

The EU has far too many poor States and we never see a rich/affluent country wishing to join. If the EU had remained as just a core number of countries with similar economies then I could see it working but its not ,so it won't.

He's a great orator................



I think we will be poorer if we stay in but also probably poorer for a few years after we leave but then I think the long term would see better growth and standard of living for our people.........

leveller2911

Miss_Samantha wrote: »

Not all "guesswork" are equal... As said it is simply not true that no-one can 'guess' what is likely to happen.

IIRC The IMF ,CBI etc etc etc all said it would be catastrophic if the UK didn't adopt the Euro so I take the "highly,educated guessers" advice with a large pinch of salt.

Miss_Samantha

leveller2911 wrote: »

Do you see any negative at all in remaining given the huge elephant in the room that is the Euro and the migrant crisis which the EU has been shown to be lacking in the skills needed to address both?.

The UK is not in the Eurozone and has no legal obligation to join in the future.
Therefore Brexit will not make a difference.

The UK is not in the Schengen area and it therefore has border checks.
Therefore Brexit will not make a difference.

leveller2911 wrote: »

The EU have failed to address the problems with the currency and although the UK isn't in the Euro any problems associated with the currency directly affect our trade with the Eurozone.

If these problems are associated with the currency then they will exist in any case.

leveller2911 wrote: »

I loved Daniel Hannan's view that "The UK is looking to link itself with one of the only 2 places on the Earth that's not seeing any growth which is the EU and the Antarctic"...........

This is a fallacious argument.
The EU is the largest and richest market in the world. We might get more growth elsewhere but we get the most money here, so why leave? (so overall by leaving we probably take a big hit).
In any case, this is a false choice since nothing prevents UK firms from trading with emerging markets.

leveller2911 wrote: »

The EU has far too many poor States and we never see a rich/affluent country wishing to join.

This is a fallacious argument.
All the rich and affluent countries in Europe wanted to join, that's why they are in the EU.

The Norwegian government is actually in favour of joining because at the moment they have to follow EU legislation and pay contribution to the EU but have no say on anything.

leveller2911 wrote: »

IIRC The IMF ,CBI etc etc etc all said it would be catastrophic if the UK didn't adopt the Euro so I take the "highly,educated guessers" advice with a large pinch of salt.

When you make a guess you can get it right, or wrong. The key is that educated guessers do better than random chance, which is what an uneducated guess is.

masterwilde

everyone is focusing on the post 5-10 years discussing positive/negative views. I am talking more than a decade, majority of this country does not die or retire within a decade so why are your views to limited to simply one decade?

Longterm i cannot ever see the eurozone financially surviving. Its currency is destined to fall against all.

regardless of what the UK, USA, EU say they are all still in effect in a recession, which by any dictionary term is actually a depression. - this will no doubt get alot of abuse, but the reality is its true

Its obvious the UK would suffer over the next 5 years if we vote leave, but post 2020/2025 where will the UK be? will we aggressively approach trade agreements with China, India etc. Will we look to re invigorate manufacturing in this country, will look to be grow farming again.

All of this create employment, creates sustainaibility, expands are export options. All the above and alot more can see the UK thrive.

Miss_Samantha

What do we want to sell to China, India, etc. which we cannot at the moment?

As for manufacturing, it seems that Germany is doing quite well, including in selling to China, etc. So how is the EU holding us back?

I feel that the EU is a convenient scapegoat for everything.

Crashy_Time

ScorpiondeRooftrouser wrote: »

Did you fail to understand anything anybody said to you in this thread, or are you simply hoping other people are too stupid to follow it and might be fooled into voting for what you want?

He is saying house prices will fall because, and I quote him directly " the country and the people in the country are going to be poorer".

Now he may be wrong. But your claim above, which makes the presumption he is right, is nonsensical. Everyone getting poorer relative to the rest of the world doesn't help youngsters, first time buyers or anyone.

Lower house prices help the young and FTB`ers, credit will still be available (or else the banks are finished) and I don`t think jobs that are needed will evaporate over night do you? There will be less young migrant workers about after a Brexit, so the young established here will have a chance of a job. The EZ needs us to buy their stuff, they will have to play ball when we negotiate after a Brexit. There will be a small political "elite" that will want to hurt the UK for leaving, but the reality on the ground in many EZ states will be that if they don`t get their house in order (create jobs by forming new trade agreements) the Far Right will be on the march big time. The EZ has had plenty of time to "make or break" now it is time to break.

Crashy_Time

Miss_Samantha wrote: »

What do we want to sell to China, India, etc. which we cannot at the moment?

As for manufacturing, it seems that Germany is doing quite well, including in selling to China, etc. So how is the EU holding us back?

I feel that the EU is a convenient scapegoat for everything.[/QUOTE]


Yep, hence the reason George and other "experts" are getting their excuses in early about the massive property bubble that has to unwind at some point. There are elements in the Tory party that would love to blame everything on the EZ/Brexit and get down to the business of taking the country back, with them at the helm.

masterwilde

a deal with China, could create revenue for Uk as a middleman, for example, Chinas massive supply of steel, coal basic infrastructure, could be bought by us at discount and sold on to India to create the massive infrastructure that they need.

We can offer good terms over the long term and once certain infrastructure is in place the UK could then supply alot of the technology required.

All im saying is try looking at short term and long term and look at some details that the Uk could fill

leveller2911

Miss_Samantha wrote: »

The UK is not in the Eurozone and has no legal obligation to join in the future.
Therefore Brexit will not make a difference.

The UK has been affected by the Euro crisis.Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the UK financially guarantee loans to Eire and also some of the money to support Greece was taken from the EU funds which we contribute too..I do get the impression you missed my point. Not directly our problem but we were expected to help out which is what we did.

The UK is not in the Schengen area and it therefore has border checks.
Therefore Brexit will not make a difference.

But we are in the EU and its undeniable that we are expected to take in thousands of migrants by the EU. The 2 are linked together.

If these problems are associated with the currency then they will exist in any case.

Missed my point. If we leave we can go out into the big wide world and make our own deals with evolving economies and concentrate more effort on dealing with Australia etc whereas if we stay we are tethering ourselves to an economy that's stagnating and has major issues that it seems impotent in dealing with. Currently the EU is the body responsible for trade deals.

This is a fallacious argument.
The EU is the largest and richest market in the world. We might get more growth elsewhere but we get the most money here, so why leave? (so overall by leaving we probably take a big hit).
In any case, this is a false choice since nothing prevents UK firms from trading with emerging markets.

Agree to disagree.............

This is a fallacious argument.
All the rich and affluent countries in Europe wanted to join, that's why they are in the EU.

Name me a single affluent country that has joined since 2002 and name me a single affluent country that wants to join in the future.

Its not difficult to see that only poor countries have joined since 2004 and wish to join in the future.The EU economy is stagnating and has been for years so you work it out. Tell me a single thing in that statement that's incorrect.

The Norwegian government is actually in favour of joining because at the moment they have to follow EU legislation and pay contribution to the EU but have no say on anything.

But the Norwegian people do not wish to join.

The Norwegian economy has no resemblance to the size of the UK economy so I'm at a loss at to why people bang on about Norway. So if we came out BMW,Mercedes,Siemans etc etc etc will stop trading with the UK. The Uk also has a trade deficit with the EU of around £60 billion a year so they need us as much as we need them. Norway is a very poor example.

The key is that educated guessers do better than random chance, which is what an uneducated guess is.

Patrick Mindford is a well respected economist and he believes the UK would be better off out so the "educated guessers" are not all pro EU. Or does the fact that he is pro Brexit make him an "uneducated guesser".