Fatigue

Elizabeth_Braun

I would just like to confirm that I most certainly DID have ME and not a mental health issue - as did the others I knew who also had been cured with MT. MT sees ME/CFS as a real, organic illness, not some form of depression, even though it's treatment is a non-medical one in that it doesn't involve drugs, surgery or anything like that. None of us got better because we never really had the illness in the first place. And we didn't just improve, we were cured!

Whilst I completely understand that the MT approach can indeed sound 'quacky', having been through it myself, I can say without doubt that it isn't at all quacky in reality. The problem is that the role of emotion is poorly understood and frequently it's role in good physical health is overlooked.

Someone said that MT isn't seen by most as a cure, but I doubt that 'most' means people who've actually done and completed the programme. It's possibly mainly those who won't try it and who are sceptical about anything claiming to be a cure when the medical world labels ME/CFS/FMS as 'incurable' (i.e. there's no drug or surgical procedure for it). When I did the treatment 10 years ago, it was a 100% success rate amongst those who completed. There were some who didn't and there were some who had poor therapists who didn't teach them properly and so there were clients who had severe relapses. One of these was very public about her experiences and gave the whole thing rather a bad name (although she used a different 'version').

I don't want to get into a long debate about MT. Suffice to say it worked for me and for several others I know, all of whom, yes, had genuine fatigue illnesses. If anyone who needs help is interested, a web search will give you the info you need. There are also a couple of useful books around.

Anyway, Andrew, I'm so sorry you've had so many years of poor health and I hope you find some relief soon.

okalko

You must first see a specialist. And the sooner you do, the better. Be healthy!

Mojisola

Elizabeth_Braun wrote: »

The doctor behind the Mickel Therapy approach, Dr David Mickel, proposes that the overdrive comes about through the body of the sufferer feeling in 'danger' owing to certain emotional needs not being met etc.

Elizabeth_Braun wrote: »

I would just like to confirm that I most certainly DID have ME and not a mental health issue - as did the others I knew who also had been cured with MT.

MT sees ME/CFS as a real, organic illness, not some form of depression, even though it's treatment is a non-medical one in that it doesn't involve drugs, surgery or anything like that. None of us got better because we never really had the illness in the first place. And we didn't just improve, we were cured!

I didn't mean that your fatigue wasn't physical and real but, as you said yourself, its origin was an unmet emotional need.

Fatigue is only one symptom of ME and not always the worst one.

I think that people who recover through MT or the Lightning Process
didn't have ME in the first place. I'm very pleased for you that you are better but I know people with ME who have been made much worse by the two treatments.

OneYorkshireLass

Some people do have a cause for CFS/ME. Mine is from Postural Tachycardia Syndrome.

theoretica

I strongly suspect that there are several different things packaged together under the heading of CFS/ME and in time they will be separated out from each other. I really doubt there will be a cause and cure found, any more than a cause and cure are being found for cancer - lots of different causes and treatments are being found for different types, and medics are learning to tell which treatment has the best chance of working for whom.

Torry_Quine

theoretica wrote: »

I strongly suspect that there are several different things packaged together under the heading of CFS/ME and in time they will be separated out from each other. I really doubt there will be a cause and cure found, any more than a cause and cure are being found for cancer - lots of different causes and treatments are being found for different types, and medics are learning to tell which treatment has the best chance of working for whom.

I agree. The fact that we have differing symptoms would suggest this.

oldandhappy

theoretica wrote: »

I strongly suspect that there are several different things packaged together under the heading of CFS/ME and in time they will be separated out from each other. I really doubt there will be a cause and cure found, any more than a cause and cure are being found for cancer - lots of different causes and treatments are being found for different types, and medics are learning to tell which treatment has the best chance of working for whom.

wrong...many cancers are now being cured and the progress is huge...you should really not quote things you do not know much about. as for ME most people realise that its a umbrella illness which suggests there are similar illness's but not necessary the same..i.e glandular fever is a onset of a ME type illness as is a bacteria type onset. nervous systemupsets/ onsets are common also...

Anoneemoose

Mojisola wrote: »

I didn't mean that your fatigue wasn't physical and real but, as you said yourself, its origin was an unmet emotional need.

Fatigue is only one symptom of ME and not always the worst one.

I think that people who recover through MT or the Lightning Process
didn't have ME in the first place. I'm very pleased for you that you are better but I know people with ME who have been made much worse by the two treatments.

I totally agree with this. And while I am disillusioned at the medical world during my experience of having ME and Fibro, I do believe that if there was any proof that these techniques worked, surely we would get them on the NHS..instead of having long term treatment and investigations that probably cost more in the long run than something you say would cure it.

OP, it does sound like you have some symptoms associated with ME. I would suggest trying things from a diet point of view too, first of all. I am a member of a FB support group and a lot of those that have recovered significantly (not necessarily completely), attribute that to changes in their diet, and cutting out things that cause the body stress. A few follow paleo, but a lot started out by cutting things out first, to see if it made any difference. Good luck.

theoretica

oldandhappy wrote: »

wrong...many cancers are now being cured and the progress is huge...you should really not quote things you do not know much about. as for ME most people realise that its a umbrella illness which suggests there are similar illness's but not necessary the same..i.e glandular fever is a onset of a ME type illness as is a bacteria type onset. nervous systemupsets/ onsets are common also...

I think you misread my post - my point is that cancers are getting different treatments according to their individuality, not a (singular) cure for cancer. Your insult is unwarranted and unappreciated.

oldandhappy

Insult was not intended. I have read up a lot on Cancer because my daughter has recently been enduring aggressive breast cancer apart from other close family have suffered various types so have a personnel interest in cures rates this last year.