Spurious PCN issued in England (car registered in Scotland)

Emphyrio

Hello,

The driver of a car registered to me received a PCN from an IPC-registered private company "Northern Parking Services" recently. I understand that if the car is registered in Scotland then legally there is nothing the parking company can do, even if the "offence" occurred in England. So I'm tempted just to tell the driver to ignore them and expect all sorts of threatening letters in the post for a while addressed to myself as the registered keeper...

However, the ticket itself was issued unjustly so I'm wondering whether the driver should just appeal it...

Basically the driver of the car does voluntary work for an organisation based within a health centre. Anyone using the car park on the day is issued a "parking permit" from the health centre which states it is valid for the day. It explicitly states that the permit allows parking for people "attending the surgery" and that "vehicles may not be parked here for any other purpose, before or after visits, as this prevents others gaining surgery access". The driver prominently displayed such a "permit" on the car's dashboard.

The driver's period of volunteering lasted until 5pm that day - after which the health centre closed. They left the car in the car park until midnight, returning to see a PCN lovingly stuck to the window with a 'fine' for 'unauthorised parking' issued around 10pm. It was the only car in the car park after 5pm so clearly it wasn't "preventing others gaining surgery access".

The driver has already contacted the health centre in question so hopefully they will ask the company to drop the PCN. But otherwise, what would you do? Ignore given that the car is registered in Scotland, or go through the appeals process given that the whole PCN has more holes in it than my underwear collection.

Thanks!

hoohoo

I believe the situation is that English law would be applicable, so keeper liability applies. However, they would have to file a claim where the keeper lives - so Scotland. So far, parking companies have not had much luck because it appears the Sheriffs are wise to their scams and don't let them get away with it.

NPS is run by a particularly nasty person, so not sure it is worth appealing, since the IAS is a well-known kangaroo court.

beamerguy

Was interested to see the web site of NPS bases in Newcastle.

Yes they display the IPC banner and if you look under "court"

NPS have a link to:-
The Department for Transport produced in Sept 2012, the following
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/9155/guidance-unpaid-parking-charges.pdf

Scroll down to 2: Accredited Trade Associations
" Currently the only DVLA accredited
trade association for parking companies is the British Parking
Association’s "

So is this a !!!! up by the Department for Transport or do they mean that IPC is not accredited ?

I also see that the stupid NPS are quoting the Beavis case?, when will these companies wake up and smell the coffee

pappa_golf

the muppets cannot afford web staff, look at this one http://www.parkingticketing.co.uk/index.php/clampingcar-removal-appeals.html




check the date (above the email banner)

beamerguy

pappa_golf wrote: »

the muppets cannot afford web staff, look at this one http://www.parkingticketing.co.uk/index.php/clampingcar-removal-appeals.html

check the date (above the email banner)

Just another bunch of del boy plonkers

Myriddin

And their employer's liability insurance doesn't mention ticketing:
http://www.parkingticketing.co.uk/index.php/insurance-certificate.html

DollyDee_2

pappa_golf wrote: »

the muppets cannot afford web staff, look at this one http://www.parkingticketing.co.uk/index.php/clampingcar-removal-appeals.html




check the date (above the email banner)

Myriddin wrote: »

And their employer's liability insurance doesn't mention ticketing:
http://www.parkingticketing.co.uk/index.php/insurance-certificate.html

I'm sorry if I'm being thick but the OP says the operator is Northern Parking Services - are they connected to Parking Ticketing Ltd?

Emphyrio

Thanks for the replies.

Another question - if I do appeal through NPS or then through the IAS and the appeal is rejected (obviously, they will not be told of the driver's identity at the time) will this still be a better route to take than ignoring everything they send from the very beginning?

Of course, I'm hoping that we can get it cancelled through a direct appeal to the landowner on Monday!

Iceweasel

Just to clarify -

You are the registered keeper?

Your address is in Scotland?

The alleged parking incident took place in England?

So why are you bothering to even think about responding to their spurious invoice?

A person driving a vehicle registered to me (I live in Scotland) overstayed in a MSA last year.

I have simply filed the letters (5 so far) in a drawer along with the many others I and persons driving my vehicles have received over several years.

Only when genuine court papers are actually received will I do anything about it.

I'd be happy to have them try court with me - but which court can they use, as I'm out of jurisdiction of any court they can apply to.

You'll receive plenty threats of all sorts of things from both the PPC and their crappy toothless debt collectors - including court papers - that are impossible unless they know the name and address of the driver.

Why help these parasitic scum?

Complain to the health centre if you wish (I would) but do not give away the details of the driver.

Myriddin

DollyDee wrote: »

I'm sorry if I'm being thick but the OP says the operator is Northern Parking Services - are they connected to Parking Ticketing Ltd?

Whoops! Brain fart here!

System

Another question - if I do appeal through NPS or then through the IAS and the appeal is rejected (obviously, they will not be told of the driver's identity at the time) will this still be a better route to take than ignoring everything they send from the very beginning?

Whatever you say will be ignored and they will threaten all sorts of doom for you as Keeper.

But their threats as with 99% of all tickets are nothing more than that.

If it amuses you then appeal. If not file and forget.

But you are better off talking to the Centre to see what they say. If they refuse, see if you can get a copy of the contract with NPS as it would be useful to see one for those unfortunate enough to live south of the border.