Car causing obstruction

BrentMeister

Manxman_in_exile wrote: »

BrentMeister - I understand what you say in that they've done nothing wrong legally, but in my view it is wholly inconsiderate and selfish. It's not something I would do myself because my parents brought me up to respect other people and to be aware of how my actions might adversely affect others. I wouldn't block somebody else's access whether there was a dropped kerb or not. Do unto others etc...(I'm not religious but it's a useful starting point for dealing with those around you. Presumably the offending twit doesn't live here so doesn't care what inconvenience they cause to others).

I would completely disagree. No dropped kerb = no drive.

When parking I avoid dropped kerbs,causing an obstruction, yellow lines or other markings and abide by parking restrictions in place. None of those present means I can legally park where I like.

Just as bad as the people that think they own the piece of road outside their house and no-one else can park there.

Tell your neighbour to stop being so tight and get a dropped kerb if he wants to have a proper drive.

fisherjim

Well this is going round in circles, and the car will be there until the owner moves it full stop!

Even if the householder confronts the driver on their return all they can do is point out that this has been an inconvenience and hope they will not do it again.

But the householder is also taking liberties expecting unhindered vehicular access across a path that they have no right to cross.

Lets face it they have had the audacity to construct a technically unuseable drive, so the only way to resolve it is to pay the council (probably in excess of £1k) to put in proper dropped kerb access and make it official.

Manxman_in_exile

So, just to be clear, you'd be quite happy to leave your car blocking somebody else's "drive" (because legally it isn't a drive) for several days simply because you could do? You may be comfortable doing so but I would not be.


None of us where we live think they "own the piece of road outside their house", otherwise murder would probably have been committed years ago. We just park where we can. I think our neighbour would just like to be able to pull into what he hitherto (but apparently mistakenly) thought was his "drive".


I sympathise with our neighbour, not the inconsiderate parker. But I appreciate that nothing can be done because the legal requirement (dropped kerb) is not met.


We're fortunate we don't live in a society where we are forced to think about the effects of our actions on others.

fisherjim

Manxman_in_exile wrote: »

So, just to be clear, you'd be quite happy to leave your car blocking somebody else's "drive" (because legally it isn't a drive) for several days simply because you could do? You may be comfortable doing so but I would not be.


None of us where we live think they "own the piece of road outside their house", otherwise murder would probably have been committed years ago. We just park where we can. I think our neighbour would just like to be able to pull into what he hitherto (but apparently mistakenly) thought was his "drive".


I sympathise with our neighbour, not the inconsiderate parker. But I appreciate that nothing can be done because the legal requirement (dropped kerb) is not met.


We're fortunate we don't live in a society where we are forced to think about the effects of our actions on others.

No I didn't say that, I wouldn't park there, but I wouldn't be so dim as to construct a drive where I had to bump over a kerb designed to stop me doing that either!

Manxman_in_exile

Yes - we are going in circles.


I did the original post because I thought our neighbour should be able to access his drive. I appreciate now that this view has no legal basis.


I still am of the view that the owner of the car in question has (and still is) acting inconsiderately and wholly unreasonably.


I'm retreating less I disappear fundamentally.

Manxman_in_exile

I wasn't replying to you fisherjim but to BrentMeister! The posts crossed.


I'm happy to accept your point of view, fj, except I don't think our neighbours "created" their drive. It's been there since the houses were built. Maybe their conveyancing searches weren't as they should have been or maybe they decided to take a risk.


I wouldn't park there in any circumstances.

nigelbb

Manxman_in_exile wrote: »

Would you be happy to return home to discover that you could not put your car on your own drive? And that car had remained there for, at the moment, three days? No need to answer as presumably you'd be perfectly happy to let them (whoever they are) to do so.

If there is no dropped kerb then it's not a drive but a garden & the person who parked their car in their garden broke the law by driving over the pavement.

surveyor_101

I love how parking in residential streets these days is no longer a case of consideration of others it's what does the law say. Personally if I am parking in residential area I want to park were it will cause the least upset to the residents, since they have to live there!

I don't rock up and start assessing who may have a driveway of legal standing and who may be illegal crossing a pavement to keep their car on a drive and reduce congested on street parking. Then abandon my car blocking their access and go to work.

Some people, we all have to live together and without civilised society we would be animals.

Manxman_in_exile

Update - I've been away but the car apparently disappeared sometime Saturday afternoon or evening.


Thanks for all your replies. I've learned a little about the significance of dropped kerbs!

bod1467

Just to clarify ... driving over a pavement is (usually) illegal. However a vehicle in a garden (on a drive) is not evidence of an offence having been committed; an authority must observe the offence being committed in order to bring a prosecuation.