Motorway Driving Question

AdrianC

unforeseen wrote: »

They don't 'give' you longer lessons, you have to pay for double lessons.

"Give", in this context, clearly did not indicate any pricing assumptions. It indicated the availability.

OK for a one off driving test but starts to get expensive when you have to do a few of them to get DC experience. For my area I have 2 test centres within 15 miles. The nearest DC that has slip roads and is not just a dualled bit of single carriageway is over 25 miles.

The idea is fine if you live in the central areas such as Birmingham/Midlands, Manchester etc, but once you move away from there then it is no longer a feasible idea E.G. mid Wales. Scotland once away from Glasgow/Edinburgh/Stirling area, Cumbria. There is probably a larger area where it couldn't be done compared to where it could

Umm, if it's at all relevant, you may be interested to know that I learnt to drive in the middle of the Peak District, and now live on the border between Herefordshire and Powys... I am not unaware of the issues of which you speak.

martinsurrey

unforeseen wrote: »

They don't 'give' you longer lessons, you have to pay for double lessons. OK for a one off driving test but starts to get expensive when you have to do a few of them to get DC experience. For my area I have 2 test centres within 15 miles. The nearest DC that has slip roads and is not just a dualled bit of single carriageway is over 25 miles.

The idea is fine if you live in the central areas such as Birmingham/Midlands, Manchester etc, but once you move away from there then it is no longer a feasible idea E.G. mid Wales. Scotland once away from Glasgow/Edinburgh/Stirling area, Cumbria. There is probably a larger area where it couldn't be done compared to where it could

You know whats more expensive, killing someone because you didn't want to pay for a duel lesson on a duel carriage way and then after your test guessed about how to do it and messed it up.

unforeseen

martinsurrey wrote: »

You know whats more expensive, killing someone because you didn't want to pay for a duel lesson on a duel carriage way and then after your test guessed about how to do it and messed it up.

Wot you mean like driving the wrong way?

Very few people actually ave any DC experience when they pass their test so what you ar spouting is a load of total claptrap.

What's more expensive is listening to idiotic suggestions like yours.

martinsurrey

unforeseen wrote: »

Wot you mean like driving the wrong way?

Very few people actually ave any DC experience when they pass their test so what you ar spouting is a load of total claptrap.

What's more expensive is listening to idiotic suggestions like yours.

suggesting that being competent and confidant to drive on the types of roads you will encounter is claptrap...

let me know when you are next on the road, and I'll stay away.

I mean panicking on a slip road (doing it for the first time, alone) and doing an inappropriate pull out causing an accident, which unfortunately does happen.

unforeseen

martinsurrey wrote: »

suggesting that being competent and confidant to drive on the types of roads you will encounter is claptrap...

let me know when you are next on the road, and I'll stay away.

I will do. I would hate to be anywhere near you on the road with your condescending attitude about other drivers' abilities.

martinsurrey wrote: »

I mean panicking on a slip road (doing it for the first time, alone) and doing an inappropriate pull out causing an accident, which unfortunately does happen.

I don't know what little world you live in but inappropriate pullout is a common trait of people who regularly use DCs & motorways as is evidenced on any motorway in busy (and not so busy) periods.

Do you know something? The vast majority of people manage quite well, it's not something that is so difficult that people can not grasp the process and carry it out without a problem

Maybe you struggled with the concept and now think every other new driver suffered from your lack of ability.

P.S.

Stay south of Birmingham, that way we should never meet. I will quite happily navigate my way through the various M4x/M6x motorways without a problem although it sounds as though you may have a problem with some of the motorway junctions around manchester

martinsurrey

unforeseen wrote: »

I will do. I would hate to be anywhere near you on the road with your condescending attitude about other drivers' abilities.
I don't know what little world you live in but inappropriate pullout is a common trait of people who regularly use DCs & motorways as is evidenced on any motorway in busy (and not so busy) periods.

Do you know something? The vast majority of people manage quite well, it's not something that is so difficult that people can not grasp the process and carry it out without a problem

Maybe you struggled with the concept and now think every other new driver suffered from your lack of ability.

P.S.

Stay south of Birmingham, that way we should never meet. I will quite happily navigate my way through the various M4x/M6x motorways without a problem although it sounds as though you may have a problem with some of the motorway junctions around manchester

and I hope you have a good day too.

Iceweasel

Play nicely children!

NBLondon

martinsurrey wrote: »

here is the correct road and the positions marked on, with the OPS distance marked on.

Pull out to split is 800m, 36seconds at 50mph

That picture makes a lot of difference!


If I was approaching it and new to the area, I'd see the signs and be checking the mirrors but not move over until I could see the lane dividers change - which would be presumably after the bend in this case.


I can certainly believe that a relatively new driver like the OP might anticipate too much and move on first seeing the sign. Or that someone who drove there regularly and knows when to expect congestion just after the bend might move over early.


The 2+2 split usually makes it easier but on the one I drive most - M25 J5 /A21 clockwise ( http://www.cbrd.co.uk/badjunctions/21-25-26/ - thanks for introducing me to that site Iceweasel)
there are plenty of people who stay in Lane 4 (marked for the A21) as long as possible before swooping across to Lane 2 to stay on the M25. Which is not good for the new driver correctly in Lane 3 at that point...