PIP: Failed assessment, utterly terrified

bspm

allison445 wrote: »

And sometimes people need to be less judgemental
Due to the few the needy suffer.

And sometimes people have to realise that a lot of people come on here to be told what words to use to help their application.

NLW is correct, the boat has left, it is not as 'easy' as it once was to obtain benefits and a lot of people are now realsing this. To come on here and ask how to fill in a form, ask what to say to still get a benefit that, lets be honest here, should probably not have been so readily given when it was many years ago is appalling.

meer53

allison445 wrote: »

And sometimes people need to be less judgemental
Due to the few the needy suffer.

True. The needy also suffer because of the ones who have claimed benefits which should never have been paid to begin with.

allison445

NLW is correct, the boat has left, it is not as 'easy' as it once was to obtain benefits and a lot of people are now realsing this. To come on here and ask how to fill in a form, ask what to say to still get a benefit that, lets be honest here, should probably not have been so readily given when it was many years ago is appalling.[/QUOTE]

Is that a fact or just your personal opinion ?
A benefit was given and then taken away surely the advice given should have been how to manage without the income ( as some people have ) I don't see the need for the sarcastic comments.

bspm

allison445 wrote: »

NLW is correct, the boat has left, it is not as 'easy' as it once was to obtain benefits and a lot of people are now realsing this. To come on here and ask how to fill in a form, ask what to say to still get a benefit that, lets be honest here, should probably not have been so readily given when it was many years ago is appalling.

Is that a fact or just your personal opinion ?
A benefit was given and then taken away surely the advice given should have been how to manage without the income ( as some people have ) I don't see the need for the sarcastic comments.[/QUOTE]

If you have a spare few weeks to kill I suggest you look over the many many posts on here to see if my comment is fact or my opinion.

As for giving advice on how to manage without the benefit...I do not think for one moment the OP was asking for or needing advice on how to manage without a benefit.

The following is MY opinion.....I think it is atrocious that the many disabled people who are losing their benefits, people who cannot write fancy words, do not know which legislation to quote are the ones that should be getting help on this excellent forum, they deserve help from more experienced people who have gone through this harrowing experience of reapplying for benefits.

When I see a post so eloquently written, full of contradictions, arguing that they could not converse with the HCP carrying out the assessment due to anxiety yet are wanting to attain a degree (plenty of anxiety there) and quoting points of law to justify a benefit then yes I am sorry but I see someone trying to play the system and I see no reason to help.

I think you should read the OP's post to NLW if you wish to comment on sarcastic remarks.

allison445

I think you should read the OP's post to NLW if you wish to comment on sarcastic remarks.

Sorry I missed that post in among all the other sarcastic reply's
I know nothing about how anxiety affects people so would be ill advised to comment on whether or not a person should receive benefits.

FBaby

Ultimately we only have one OP has posted to go by to get an idea whether the assessment was fair or not. What we won't know is whether OP is truly worse than how describe in the OP, but didn't express himself well, or whether he actually isn't as disabled as he thinks he is, but maybe his reliance on PIP to support him with his every day living means that he perceives himself as more disabled than he really is.

I expect the issue is the divergence between what he told the assessor and the evidence or lack of that was presented in front of them. If there was no medical letters to support his claim for care needs, and so the only evidence they had to go by is what they know he is able to do, ie. study at college and planning to study at uni, then it is no surprise that there was a failure.

In the end, most claimants who are turned down are going to disagree with the outcome. That doesn't mean that all assessments were wrong.

FBaby

CheekyNcheerful wrote: »

Maybe they use spell checker?
Maybe they are well supported in college & will get a high level of support at uni?

You would still require a memory that means you can recall more than 2 words out of 4 in a very limited period.

OP explained that he was a lot worse on the day of the assessment than on his average day,however, seems to think that entitlement to PIP should be based on this assessment rather than what he is mainly capable of doing the rest of the time.

SingleSue

FBaby wrote: »

Surely it comes down to the evidence you submitted to support all your claims? What was it?


This is not helping your case. Surely anyone with such level of cognitive deficiency couldn't possibly be able to study at degree level, or if possible, then surely anyone could get a degree?

On this, my middle son is at university studying for a degree. He has absolutely horrendous short term memory issues due to damage in his brain plus communication difficulties (talking to strangers, verbal understanding at learning disability level, if written or practical, he moves into the high IQ territory!)) because of his Aspergers.

If asked during an assessment, he probably would get into a flap and either not understand the question or his brain would go into meltdown because of the situation he was in.

However, he receives a very large package of support (via DSA) with specialised interventions and workarounds to allow him to learn because despite all of his problems, he is actually very intelligent and a talented musician (he is studying music although there is still a fair bit of written work required - 2 written exams this week alone).


It's tough for him and he has to work harder than almost everyone else but he has the ability to do what he does, he just needs some assistance/workarounds to get there.

He doesn't receive PIP or DLA however, his decision as he knew he would struggle with the process and he wanted to concentrate on his education.

kaya

the PIP rules state thet your disability must affect you for at least 50% of the time(this was unclear under dla rules) so the fact that you were able to complete the assesment on that day does not mean you could another time, its simple really, if you believe you have genuine entitlement and proof then go for the mandatory reconsideration and then appeal if that fails, if you have genuine need under the rules it will be reinstated. If after that process its still not awarded then i am afraid there is nothing you can do and you are no longer entitled.

parkrunner

apronedsamurai wrote: »

Yes, I was. It was implied that I had gotten onto DLA illegally/improperly with the precise quote being:

"on the taxpayer's teat"

That doesn't imply that in the least. Lots of people are "on the taxpayer's teat", that is not illegal or improper, they are simply taking legal advantage of the benefit system the same way as some people do with the tax system.