Selling from my doorstep?

Flyonthewall

suki1964 wrote: »

I rang them

No I'm not running a business and no I don't have to register as self employed

However I can report untaxed earnings,mother same as everyone who sells at a car boot sale or eBay is supposed to do

Seeing as my " income" from the sale of a few dozen eggs a year is so little, the advisor was actually suppressing the giggles and said that if I felt I must then do so, but from the tone of voice I'm kinda guess he thought I was totally mental for even thinking of it

Would love to see the forms. Hmmm eggs raised £4, feed cost £7.45, bedding cost £5.50. Gonna gave a lot to register

I hope to g*d you have never ever sold at a car boot or eBay, your paperwork must be horrendous


As for the pub, it will come from the petty cash. As for growing for the intention to sell, will I ask seed producers to just put 6 seeds in a packet and will I go destroy my 10 year old rhubarb crowns because they are over producing?


Get a life

So you rang HMRC just now based on my post? Despite being adament you were not running a business you still phoned HMRC right away just to prove a point on a forum? lol sure.

Also "from the sale of a few dozen eggs a year is so little" yeah, can imagine how you worded it! "A few times a year locals give me a little money for some eggs if I have too many". No wonder they'd laugh at that!

That's not in the slightest what you claimed before though.

"I've 9 hens, on average 7 eggs a day, can only eat so many a day". Few times a year...nope, daily. Big difference.

"the pub has told me they will buy all I can give them this year." That's a business deal.

"for not declaring an extra possible £500 for selling stuff". £500 isn't a few eggs once in a blue moon throughout the year.

If you lie to HMRC, assuming you actually did phone, they're likely to give you the wrong information. Tell them you're not declaring £500 a year profit and making deals with the pub you'll get a very different response!

"I hope to g*d you have never ever sold at a car boot or eBay, your paperwork must be horrendous"

As for this, personal items at either of them (or anywhere else) do not need to be declared. Selling items you have bought to sell, made to sell or grown to sell do need to be declared no matter where you sell them.

suki1964

Flyonthewall wrote: »

So you rang HMRC just now based on my post? Despite being adament you were not running a business you still phoned HMRC right away just to prove a point on a forum? lol sure.

Also "from the sale of a few dozen eggs a year is so little" yeah, can imagine how you worded it! "A few times a year locals give me a little money for some eggs if I have too many". No wonder they'd laugh at that!

That's not in the slightest what you claimed before though.

"I've 9 hens, on average 7 eggs a day, can only eat so many a day". Few times a year...nope, daily. Big difference.

"the pub has told me they will buy all I can give them this year." That's a business deal.

"for not declaring an extra possible £500 for selling stuff". £500 isn't a few eggs once in a blue moon throughout the year.

If you lie to HMRC, assuming you actually did phone, they're likely to give you the wrong information. Tell them you're not declaring £500 a year profit and making deals with the pub you'll get a very different response!

"I hope to g*d you have never ever sold at a car boot or eBay, your paperwork must be horrendous"

As for this, personal items at either of them (or anywhere else) do not need to be declared. Selling items you have bought to sell, made to sell or grown to sell do need to be declared no matter where you sell them.

Yes I did ring them why would I lie?
First office passed me onto 0300 123 2326. It was the advisor there that fell about laughing. Ring and ask if the nutty chicken woman rang today

Two rhurbarb crowns will produce too much for me and mine but the pub are asking everyone local if they have spare. I'll probably not even ask for paying ( I work there) will probably have a drink on the house

Today I got 4 eggs, sometimes I get 9. It was an average. £500 figure was plucked out of the air as the higest amount I could possibly get in sales for a year

As for the seedlings, is that any different from selling at a car boot like so many others do year in year out? No one can say I'm buying into sell as these are excess left over from my own personal buys. Not my fault that a packet of seed contain more then I can consume. Assuming of course that we get good growth at all,, last year a late frost wiped us out of everything other then spuds and carrots

You seem to be hell bent on proving I'm buying to sell. I'm not. The eggs are sold to pay for the chicken feed and bedding. The veg I grow to feed ourselves as so many people do and like so many I will sell excess rather then waste. So I ask for 50p a plant, gives me the money for next years seeds

I'm not out buying goods just to sell on at a profit. Nor is the woman next door who sells her eggs nor the one up the road who sells eggs and plants and cheese. They are a by product of food we are growing for ourselves and sell only so as not to waste.

Flyonthewall

suki1964 wrote: »

Yes I did ring them why would I lie?
First office passed me onto 0300 123 2326. It was the advisor there that fell about laughing. Ring and ask if the nutty chicken woman rang today

I've never known anyone ever on a forum to phone up somewhere right away in order to prove they're correct and tell it to a forum and even those who do attempt to prove themselves right just copy and paste web links/website content.

Plus, you're lying about something. Either to HMRC about amounts or on here. So no reason to assume you're certainly telling the truth about phoing.

Two rhurbarb crowns will produce too much for me and mine but the pub are asking everyone local if they have spare. I'll probably not even ask for paying ( I work there) will probably have a drink on the house

"the pub has told me they will buy all I can give them this year"

I like how that's suddenly changed lol.

Today I got 4 eggs, sometimes I get 9. It was an average. £500 figure was plucked out of the air as the higest amount I could possibly get in sales for a year

Before you said "on average 7 eggs a day" and "perhaps £4 a week in eggs if that" and then claimed when talking to HMRC "Seeing as my " income" from the sale of a few dozen eggs a year is so little".

£4 a week for a few dozen eggs a year when you get on average 7 a day makes no sense.

£4 a week would be a couple of hundred pounds in a year (roughly). So £500 even as a top amount would mean you're getting more than double that a week.

Getting £4 a week from something you sell on occassion isn't possible.

No matter what way you want to look at that it doesn't add up.

As for the seedlings, is that any different from selling at a car boot like so many others do year in year out? No one can say I'm buying into sell as these are excess left over from my own personal buys. Not my fault that a packet of seed contain more then I can consume. Assuming of course that we get good growth at all,, last year a late frost wiped us out of everything other then spuds and carrots

You seem to be hell bent on proving I'm buying to sell. I'm not. The eggs are sold to pay for the chicken feed and bedding. The veg I grow to feed ourselves as so many people do and like so many I will sell excess rather then waste. So I ask for 50p a plant, gives me the money for next years seeds

I'm not out buying goods just to sell on at a profit. Nor is the woman next door who sells her eggs nor the one up the road who sells eggs and plants and cheese. They are a by product of food we are growing for ourselves and sell only so as not to waste.

Yeah, everyone makes money in order to feed themselves and their families and pets or to buy things, what's your point? Doesn't matter what you spend the money on, it's the way you're making the money.

I'm not "hell bent" on anything. I stated a fact based on your post - what you described was a business.

You can change your story, lie to HMRC, pretend it's not a business or whatever, but that doesn't mean you're not a business or that HMRC won't come after you. Anyone here can read what you've said and check out the government site which states what a business is.

Wizzbang

@Suki1964 Oh God, there's always some self-righteous prat on here preaching about what should/shouldn't be declared to HMRC. Yesterday someone was telling someone else that they needed to declare Swagbucks gift cards. Regardless of what you're *supposed* to declare on paper, when you ring up HMRC they fall of their chairs laughing that anyone would bother to ring them up about a trivial few hundred pounds of earnings, sometimes that isn't even cash! lol I mean, for a lot of people- they're not even paying tax anyway- so the whole thing is pointless.

When I think of the few old people around here that are selling their excess veg or plants from an honesty stall in their front garden, I doubt that any of them would even think that they need to be signing up to HMRC as a small business. I find the suggestion laughable- what odds is a few eggs here and a tomato plant here or there.

Good for you for helping to reduce food waste and food miles. And for keeping your family fed, every little helps eh?

Don't let this idiot wind you up so!

iammumtoone

I know someone who did do their accounts every year for the HRMC it was a 'hobby business' they sold handmade goods online because they enjoyed it and gave them something to do, they were retired, made under £500 per year, never any tax due. After a few years the HRMC actually told them not to bother filling out returns anymore until they were at a stage when it was worthwhile.

Can you image if everyone who made a couple of hundred quid a year in 'business' filled out tax returns, the HRMC would be swamped, it would cost them more in administration than the tax owed on these kinds of things.

Flyonthewall

Wizzbang wrote: »

@Suki1964 Oh God, there's always some self-righteous prat on here preaching about what should/shouldn't be declared to HMRC. Yesterday someone was telling someone else that they needed to declare Swagbucks gift cards. Regardless of what you're *supposed* to declare on paper, when you ring up HMRC they fall of their chairs laughing that anyone would bother to ring them up about a trivial few hundred pounds of earnings, sometimes that isn't even cash! lol I mean, for a lot of people- they're not even paying tax anyway- so the whole thing is pointless.

When I think of the few old people around here that are selling their excess veg or plants from an honesty stall in their front garden, I doubt that any of them would even think that they need to be signing up to HMRC as a small business. I find the suggestion laughable- what odds is a few eggs here and a tomato plant here or there.

Good for you for helping to reduce food waste and food miles. And for keeping your family fed, every little helps eh?

Don't let this idiot wind you up so!

There's really no need to be so insulting! Read what they've actually put and the law on what a business is rather than just jumping to insults.

£500 is not a few eggs and tomato plants. If it is then I'm off to buy a ton of chickens and tomato plants, I could make a fortune!

Swagbucks is rewards, although cash is really a grey area technically. I'd say it's still classed as a reward though as that's what the site says and it's not a job, therefore you don't need to declare it. Some people do declare it, most don't. Very different to this though!

All I can say is well done for backing up someone who has clearly lied, gone back on their story and whose maths for how much they've sold and profit made doesn't even remotely add up correctly! Makes you look really good :rotfl:

Flyonthewall

What is going on with this thread!? Normally this board is full of reminders of what a business is and that people need to declare their earnings, regardless of whether it's loss, break even or profit.

Now people are like "nah, don't bother, it's just a few hundred. It's laughable to declare it". That's not how the law works.

Nor is everyones situation the same so saying no one should bother to declare it for "a couple of hundred" is stupid. It could cause some people a lot of problems if they read this thread and think it doesn't matter!

lincroft1710

Flyonthewall wrote: »

You may need to pay business rates. https://www.gov.uk/introduction-to-business-rates/working-at-home

"You may need to pay business rates as well as Council Tax if:

• your property is part business and part domestic, eg if you live above your shop
• you sell goods or services to people who visit your property
  

In practice, the type of set-up envisaged by the OP would not attract business rates.

Flyonthewall

lincroft1710 wrote: »

In practice, the type of set-up envisaged by the OP would not attract business rates.

Probably not, but best to give them all info and they can see what applies. Might help someone else who would attract business rates or if things change for OP as well.

Lazarus_Blackstar

First world problems eh?
There's always one who loves to come on here & shoot down the OP when they ask a simple question. Meh.