Cameron Tax Dodger

Moby

CLAPTON wrote: »

any old rubbish to void discussing inheritance and tax avoidance by senior labour party people and how it deeply offend your 'moral' code : just like your admiration and lack of moral judgment on those that walk beside the IRA killers.

I think tories are morally bankrupt because they are driven by their baser instincts of personal gain. In contrast I think Labour people, (with a few dishonourable exceptions like John Poulson for example)...are generally more pure and idealistic and will more likely go to heaven but will sadly win less elections. Do you agree with that Clapton?

chris_m

chewmylegoff wrote: »

Either you are: a cartoon character from Viz; permanently drunk; Jeremy Corbyn; or Harry Redknapp's dog. I don't think there are any other plausible explanations for your logic.

Or simply takes pleasure in appearing to be like his cetacean namesake

chewmylegoff

@princeofpounds - stamp duty has been scrapped for onshore funds, I think?

Moby

Mistermeaner wrote: »

moby is blatant example of the duplicity of alot of the left; they superficially espouse a higher moral ground using terms like 'fair' but dig a little under the surface and what actually transpires is that they are just a 'selfish' as tories in looking to better their own position its just that folk like moby improve their own position best by being part of the collective under the labour banner which generally pays pubic sector workers more money - it is thus easy to talk the talk about 'fairness' from a public good point of view in support of the party who claims to represent that view where actually their only concern is their own personal wealth - they are just incapable of doing anything about improving their own situation themselves so have to rely on a government that will take things from others to give to them.

This is why no labour voters voluntarily over pay tax / hand back their tax credits / turn down their public sector pensions. The latter particularly is a huge burden for society at large as the unfunded and overly generous pensions present a huge burden to the deficit and other public spending on things such as the NHS but they have 'earned' their pensions and hence don't want to put that money back into the public pot.

They do however think while it is OK for them to take huge sums of money from the public pot as individuals that to make up the shortfall in spending ambitions that people in the private sector who generate wealth through their efforts should pay more into the public pot.

Its a strange duplicity and hypocritical view that many of them miss.

Doctors strikes yet another example of the same hypocracy at work.

Don't you think it's important that part of your time at work is spent funding my pension because it'll help you appreciate the value of public service more?

Moby

chewmylegoff wrote: »

So you think that Cameron's disastrous press releases were a calculated scheme to avoid the fury that followed? It's pretty clear that the way that he release the information poured fuel on the fire - your primary focus (now that you've had to admit you are unable to say what tax has been avoided or how) is that he wasn't transparent in his dealings - so you are angry with him for not coming clean initially but at the same time you think he was trying to avoid your anger by not coming clean?!

You seem to have confused yourself.

And after spending the whole thread besmirching people for defending Cameron on the basis that he has made a full disclosure of everything he should have on his tax return, you are now defending corbyn for failing to disclose material parts of his income on his tax return!

Basically your views on people's actions seem to be formed entirely on whether you like their politics or not.

In summary, Cameron is a liar and a fraud and the evidence for this is that he has disclosed all of his income, paid all tax due and not engaged in any contrived tax avoidance as far as you are aware.

On the other hand Corbyn's failure to disclose all of his income to HMRC or to the public appears to you to be evidence of infallible honesty.

Either you are: a cartoon character from Viz; permanently drunk; Jeremy Corbyn; or Harry Redknapp's dog. I don't think there are any other plausible explanations for your logic.

So you'd thought you'd come home and jumble the words up a bit but say the same thing again.

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/apr/14/uk-under-pressure-from-eu-states-over-beneficial-ownership-secrecy
How much longer are you going to be able to defend such dishonest practices.;)

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

I think tories are morally bankrupt because they are driven by their baser instincts of personal gain. In contrast I think Labour people, (with a few dishonourable exceptions like John Poulson for example)...are generally more pure and idealistic and will more likely go to heaven but will sadly win less elections. Do you agree with that Clapton?

I base my opinions on the facts of the matter : on how people actually behave; on whether people obey the law; on whether they are honest or not; do they support charity work; do they contribute to the community; do they produce useful goods or services, whether they support the IRA; whether they think killing 10s of millions of people in the names of socialism is justified; are they hypocrites and other things.
I don't start from the basis that Tories are evil or that labourites are good : I base it on their real actions.
We know that socialist 'idealists' have led to the the poverty and death of huge number of people all over the world; we know that other regimes have also killed.

Sadly you are a fundamentalist that can't see or understand the world, so simplifies things to just one thing: are they labour ? That's all you need to know. Only a fundamentalist would use a word like 'pure', usually before killing some-one.

Moby

CLAPTON wrote: »

I base my opinions on the facts of the matter : on how people actually behave; on whether people obey the law; on whether they are honest or not; do they support charity work; do they contribute to the community; do they produce useful goods or services, whether they support the IRA; whether they think killing 10s of millions of people in the names of socialism is justified; are they hypocrites and other things.
I don't start from the basis that Tories are evil or that labourites are good : I base it on their real actions.
We know that socialist 'idealists' have led to the the poverty and death of huge number of people all over the world; we know that other regimes have also killed.

Sadly you are a fundamentalist that can't see or understand the world, so simplifies things to just one thing: are they labour ? That's all you need to know. Only a fundamentalist would use a word like 'pure', usually before killing some-one.

To be fair that was a good post. At last you said something about yourself....... Instead of the usual mantra of demanding me to explain myself! I agree and respect much of it......but to be fair I don't think you can lay guilt at the door of British socialism for Stalin and Mao Tse Tung. That's a whole different ball game Clapton.... rooted in the history of those countries. Re. the 'pure' I was joshing etc etc....I'm not a fundamentalist. I'm a Social Democrat. I loved Harold Wilson and actually quite liked Ted Heath. It was Thatcher that made me an old bitter! I really don't like conflict and don't wish anyone ill. I know I'm a !!!!!! sometimes and tend to react to tory views and very possibly am spending too much time on here. I only say the things I do knowing that no-one else gives a toss really! Truce?:o

Mistermeaner

Moby wrote: »

Don't you think it's important that part of your time at work is spent funding my pension because it'll help you appreciate the value of public service more?

I like how much richer I am than you. And I'm younger too. :beer:

Mistermeaner

It is telling however that you have no response to my post. I assume you acknowledge your hypocracy and admit you're just in it for yourself?

Or are you going to hand back your pension and keep working so more orphans can have hip replacement's.

After all you don't need to go to Thailand , you can remain in post doing the invaluable work you currently are. That would be best for the nation (of course not so good for you but you have never been motivated towards looking after Moby have you)

Tromking

Mistermeaner wrote: »

I like how much richer I am than you. And I'm younger too. :beer:

Can I also thank you for your contribution to my civil service pension and indeed my wife`s teacher pension also.
Cheers Easy! :beer: