Phd diet whey

OneLeggedPig

parking_question_chap wrote: »

You really shouldnt post something like that and not back it up with evidence.

In your own time......

I wouldn't normally post about health implications when the question doesn't ask about it- only did here because I think often people seem to think that protein powders are healthy- maybe because some people who do a lot of exercise use them. But people take some extreme measures for appearances that aren't always healthy.

Right, one of the main health issues with isolated protein in general is that it raises the production of IGF-1 (insulin growth factor) in your body. This is the idea, because that stimulates and speeds up growth- which can make your muscles at least appear bigger. The problem is that you are also paying to age yourself, and risking promoting cancer growth. The milk protein Casein has been in particular linked to cancer.

Secondly, let's look at the ingredients....

PhD Premium Protein Blend (Whey* Protein Concentrate, Milk Protein Concentrate (Of Which 80% Is Micellar Casein), Soya Protein Isolate), Waxy Barley Flour, Golden Brown Flaxseed Powder, Thickeners (Acacia Gum, Guar Gum, Xanthan Gum), Flavouring, Conjugated Linoleic Acid Powder (Contains Milk Protein, Soya Lecithin, antioxidant (Vitamin E), Acetyl L-Carnitine, Colour (Curcumin), Green Tea Extract, Sweetener (Sucralose). *From Milk

This is probably one of the "better" products- but look at all of the rubbish in that. Should you take in all of that on a daily basis? Or should you blend oats and fruit and peanut butter instead, for example? I'm also interested as to why people think they need to intake more protein.

Sorry for hijacking the thread. I just think that often it doesn't even occur to people that protein powders might not be healthy (I wouldn't do this on a thread about chocolate or cheese, for example, as there would be no need).

I'll happily shut up if the OP isn't interested.

Kunoichi73

The My Protein stuff is cheaper. If you want to avoid additives, then buy their unflavoured impact whey and add your own flavouring (it works well with instant coffee powder, Nesquik, pineapple juice etc).

parking_question_chap

OneLeggedPig wrote: »

Right, one of the main health issues with isolated protein in general is that it raises the production of IGF-1 (insulin growth factor) in your body. This is the idea, because that stimulates and speeds up growth- which can make your muscles at least appear bigger. The problem is that you are also paying to age yourself, and risking promoting cancer growth. The milk protein Casein has been in particular linked to cancer.

Secondly, let's look at the ingredients....

PhD Premium Protein Blend (Whey* Protein Concentrate, Milk Protein Concentrate (Of Which 80% Is Micellar Casein), Soya Protein Isolate), Waxy Barley Flour, Golden Brown Flaxseed Powder, Thickeners (Acacia Gum, Guar Gum, Xanthan Gum), Flavouring, Conjugated Linoleic Acid Powder (Contains Milk Protein, Soya Lecithin, antioxidant (Vitamin E), Acetyl L-Carnitine, Colour (Curcumin), Green Tea Extract, Sweetener (Sucralose). *From Milk

This is probably one of the "better" products- but look at all of the rubbish in that. Should you take in all of that on a daily basis? Or should you blend oats and fruit and peanut butter instead, for example? I'm also interested as to why people think they need to intake more protein.

Sorry for hijacking the thread. I just think that often it doesn't even occur to people that protein powders might not be healthy (I wouldn't do this on a thread about chocolate or cheese, for example, as there would be no need).

1) Pretty much everything from bottled water to hairdye and computers is "linked to cancer" these days.

2) You could look at all the "rubbish" contained in ready meals, squash or sweets. Though if you really are that anal about it, there are additive free protein powders on the market.

3) Just because something is expensive and called premium doesnt mean it is "better".

4) I dont think anybody classifies protein powder as "healthy" its just a cheap and convenient way to consume protein.

5) Cheese isnt bad for you unless you are living in the 1970s, or eat it to excess (though anything in excess, including water, can be bad for you)

JEN22

Well said to my original post on here


Thanks

OneLeggedPig

parking_question_chap wrote: »

1) Pretty much everything from bottled water to hairdye and computers is "linked to cancer" these days.

I can see why people could think that from news headlines. But in this case we're talking about something indisputably raising IGF-1 (that's the idea, and is why milk grows calfs into big cows so quickly), which increases cancer growth. But of course it doesn't mean that most people using it will be at a high risk of cancer, it's not as serious as that.

2) You could look at all the "rubbish" contained in ready meals, squash or sweets. Though if you really are that anal about it, there are additive free protein powders on the market.

I agree.
And yes, I'm sure you can get powders with less ingredients. But the isolated protein is the key issue- so even pea protein powder isn't a great idea.

3) Just because something is expensive and called premium doesnt mean it is "better".

I agree.

4) I dont think anybody classifies protein powder as "healthy" its just a cheap and convenient way to consume protein.

Maybe- I sometimes worry that people just assume it's healthy because it gets used in gyms. I I don't really get why people feel the need to consume even more protein, but it seems lots do...

5) Cheese isnt bad for you unless you are living in the 1970s, or eat it to excess (though anything in excess, including water, can be bad for you)

Well that's a long debate for another thread!

parking_question_chap

Fair points OLP.

I would only add from personal experience about getting additional protein. Its probably the case that many people are taking on board more protein than thay actually need. However, I will have a shake in the morning after 8 hours with no food. There isnt really any other protein source I fancy preparing at 06:30, so its more of convenience than anything else.

I am interested to know more about IGF-1/milk links. Are you able to pm me any links to journals etc?

OneLeggedPig

parking_question_chap wrote: »

Fair points OLP.

I would only add from personal experience about getting additional protein. Its probably the case that many people are taking on board more protein than thay actually need. However, I will have a shake in the morning after 8 hours with no food. There isnt really any other protein source I fancy preparing at 06:30, so its more of convenience than anything else.

I am interested to know more about IGF-1/milk links. Are you able to pm me any links to journals etc?

I definitely wouldn't try to claim that it is going to be a major risk for most people, as there aren't many really "heavy users". I don't think it would be a big deal for someone who generally eats well.
Will PM you.