Neutering

missbiggles1

Person_one wrote: »

I do think that the majority of females should be spayed too, but I think that's a rather odd way of looking at it!

Some can't be spayed for medical reasons, some do still need to breed or we'll run out of dogs very quickly, some will have their first season unexpectedly early before the owners have got them booked in.

Not to mention that its a much less invasive and risk op for male dogs, and that its very sexist to put all the responsibility for contraception onto the woman's shoulders! ;)

I thought you'd make that point before I did!

Person_one

missbiggles1 wrote: »

I thought you'd make that point before I did!

Well, I hate to disappoint!

missbiggles1

catkins wrote: »

More and more parks are banning off lead dogs. I think somewhere like Manchester or Birmingham has almost all the parks with a dog ban.


I've found over the 30 odd years I have had dogs that this country is becoming less and less dog friendly. 30 years ago I had a wonderful holiday in Cornwall with my dog. Every day we went to the beach at least twice and she ran and ran. 5 years ago I went back to the same place and loads of the beaches didn't allow dogs on at all. The closest beach had part of it as supposedly dog friendly but in order to get to it you had to clamber over a massive pile of huge rocks. I couldn't manage it
and I would think only fairly fit people could.


One of my local parks has totally enclosed tennis courts and I used to take my dog there as did quite a few other dog owners. I would give him a walk first so it would be unlikely for him to want to poo there but, obviously, if he did I would clear it up. I would keep an eye open for anyone that looked as though they wanted to play tennis on the courts. Recently the park has started padlocking the courts and has put up a large notice saying dogs are not allowed on them.


I asked a park attendant why - the courts are empty most of the time particularly through the winter so being wasted really. For anyone with a dog with poor recall it is ideal and I personally would be willing to pay to use them. The attendant said it is because the dog will more likely wee and then a child may fall over in it!!!!! I told him I had never heard such nonsense in my life. Dog poo can be dangerous but dog pee and what dog is doing such large pees that a child could fall in it? As soon as it rains, which it does most days in winter, the wee is washed away.

I'm afraid that the idea of letting your dogs loose on a tennis court seems very antisocial to me and would explain why some councils would take a tougher stance on things - not my idea of responsible dog ownership.

All local councils provide information on dog friendly beaches in their area - as you can see there are plenty of them in Cornwall.

https://www.cornwall.gov.uk/leisure-and-culture/beaches-in-cornwall/

Even if you have the misfortune to live in a town where dogs are banned in the local parks, I think that most people would put the dog in the car at the weekend and drive out to somewhere they can run free - that's if they care for their mental wellbeing. (I've also had a dog who wouldn't come back easily but it isn't hard to find somewhere where the likelihood of them coming to harm is minimised until they get bored and want their dinner.)

Candles_by_Lisa

Paradigm wrote: »

Lengthy but worth the effort http://www.2ndchance.info/spayneuter-delaRiva2013.pdf also http://www.naiaonline.org/pdfs/LongTermHealthEffectsOfSpayNeuterInDogs.pdf


I really can't decide what to make of this...





Dogs aren't human beings, the only time a dog will have any "sexual urges" as you put it are when they scent an in season female & even then the response varies between individual males.
You really shouldn't be trying to transfer or compare human behaviour traits to dogs... dogs, like most animals & unlike us, only mate to breed.

Can you please tell this to ALL the unaltered dogs that my two female King Charles Cavalier King Charles Spaniels come into contact with. They are both spayed so giving off no scent whatsoever. I have complained to our local dog wardens of the sheer harassment my two girls get when out walking, they are mounted by every single unaltered male every single time we go out. I have taken them to the vets in case there was an underlying illness that was causing them to attract. No it is just poorly trained, unaltered male dogs. The warden has advised me that is't against the law to have a dog out of your control and off lead and I am seriously going to take matters further.

And can I say Labs and Boxers are the very worse offenders!!:mad:

Candles_by_Lisa

Paradigm wrote: »

Which are? If you read the links I posted above you might find that things are not quite what you you think.




I'm sorry but that's ridiculous... puppy farms who churn out endless litters of puppies (with no health checks) to owners who have no idea how to deal with them, but thought it was a good idea at the time, are the problem!


The chances of Rover down the road escaping & impregnating numerous females is as remote as me becoming president of the US... it really doesn't happen!

Yes it does, my sister in laws Bichon Friesse was impregnated. She was safely in her own garden completely hedged and unable to get out when a lab from down the road cleared the fence and got her so a bit more common than you would think.

catkins

Person_one wrote: »

I do think that the majority of females should be spayed too, but I think that's a rather odd way of looking at it!

Some can't be spayed for medical reasons, some do still need to breed or we'll run out of dogs very quickly, some will have their first season unexpectedly early before the owners have got them booked in.

Not to mention that its a much less invasive and risk op for male dogs, and that its very sexist to put all the responsibility for contraception onto the woman's shoulders!

I never said all females should be done and not males. In the past I have had all my dogs, male and female done. It's only because my previous dog had such problems that it made me reluctant to get my now dog done. To see your dog screaming in pain is horrible and it's not particularly nice that he had to have the op redone as it wasn't done properly in the first place.


I know the chances of having problems again are low and I was intending to get my present dog done. My vet said to wait until he reached 2 years old because of problems neutering can cause. I had no problems whatsoever with him in that time so just never bothered getting him done. He is now almost 4 and I doubt I will get him done.


A previous poster said something along the lines of an unneutered male dog will do whatever it takes to get to an in season female and a responsible owner would get them done. My argument is why should only the male dog owners have to take responsibility?

missbiggles1 wrote: »

I'm afraid that the idea of letting your dogs loose on a tennis court seems very antisocial to me and would explain why some councils would take a tougher stance on things - not my idea of responsible dog ownership.

All local councils provide information on dog friendly beaches in their area - as you can see there are plenty of them in Cornwall.

https://www.cornwall.gov.uk/leisure-and-culture/beaches-in-cornwall/

Even if you have the misfortune to live in a town where dogs are banned in the local parks, I think that most people would put the dog in the car at the weekend and drive out to somewhere they can run free - that's if they care for their mental wellbeing. (I've also had a dog who wouldn't come back easily but it isn't hard to find somewhere where the likelihood of them coming to harm is minimised until they get bored and want their dinner.)

I don't see why letting a dog run on a tennis court is anti social. Quite a few people do it. It's usually in the winter too when the courts near me are never used. The council are happy to have the courts sitting their unused almost all year round and yet won't let them be used for dogs nor will they provide an enclosed grass area for dogs.


I appreciate some dogs may poo in the tennis courts and possibly not all owners would clear it up although I have never seen any on courts that I know dogs run on. If the owners were that inconsiderate though they wouldn't clear up when their dog goes on the grass in the park would they? It's much easier to see on a tennis court than on grass and children are far more likely to roll around and play on grass than on a court.


Not everyone drives to be able to take their dog somewhere at weekends. I don't and my OH often works 6 or 7 days a week.


Sorry but your comment "it isn't hard to find somewhere where the likelihood of them coming to harm is minimised until they get bored and want their dinner" made me laugh. Me and OH have searched and searched for anywhere it might be possible to let our dog off. An enclosed field, unless it had a fence of at least 6ft, he would just jump and run for miles. If it had hedges he would jump them or get through them.


He possibly would not "get bored" for hours and certainly would not be coming back because he was hungry. I can only assume you don't know much about sighthounds as almost all the greyhounds, salukis etc I know are the same as my dog

Feral_Moon

I would never neuter a large breed dog until they're at least two years old as they need much longer to fully mature than smaller breeds. My own dog (GSD) is coming up for two this Spring so I shall probably look into get him done within the next couple of months.

He's a very friendly, social dog and mixes daily with all manner of breeds, sexes (entire & neutered) and ages so although there are no behavioural issues to worry about, I have no intention of breeding him and would rather not risk him getting testicular cancer in later life.

catkins

missbiggles1 wrote: »

All local councils provide information on dog friendly beaches in their area - as you can see there are plenty of them in Cornwall.

https://www.cornwall.gov.uk/leisure-and-culture/beaches-in-cornwall/

Maybe it depends on the area in Cornwall. We went to The Lizard and found most of the beaches that were dog friendly 30 years ago are not now. Quite a few have a restriction in summer that dogs are banned from 7am to 7pm. Sorry but if I am on holiday although I get up early I am not getting up early enough to get on the beach for around 6am to allow my dog an hour's run. The evening is not so bad but not ideal.


We have decided while we have dogs we will not be going back to Cornwall as we also found eating places not to be particularly dog friendly. Norfolk is far friendlier with some pubs and even restaurants/cafes allowing dogs inside

catkins

Feral_Moon wrote: »

I would never neuter a large breed dog until they're at least two years old as they need much longer to fully mature than smaller breeds. My own dog (GSD) is coming up for two this Spring so I shall probably look into get him done within the next couple of months.

He's a very friendly, social dog and mixes daily with all manner of breeds, sexes (entire & neutered) and ages so although there are no behavioural issues to worry about, I have no intention of breeding him.

That's what my vet recommends. As I say, I was waiting until my dog reached 2 but when he did I didn't see any hurry or need to get him done so now probably won't

Feral_Moon

Person_one wrote: »

If you leave a dog un-neutered though, you can never let it off the lead (unless you have acres of completely secure private land I suppose). That to me is possibly the worst consequence. I can't imagine being happy to let a dog live its whole life with that restriction, every dog I've ever had has shown such immense joy in running free, I'm sure if you could ever ask them they'd choose that over keeping their puppy-making bits.

That is absolute rubbish! My GSD runs off lead every day (1-2hrs, twice daily) along with several other dogs. He's almost 2yrs old, un-neutered and never shown any interest in humping another dog. My friend's 3yo neutered staffy, however, humps anything and everything in sight :rotfl: