You rights to a train seat

marleyboy

I didn't think you could reserve a seat on the tube - furthermore, I cannot imagine people standing on a tube-train when there are seats available.

Shrimply

I think the point is it's not unsafe to stand, or else the trains wouldn't be allowed to take more people than seats.

If you sat in first class with the wrong ticket I'd hope that you'd simply be told you weren't allowed to sit there when your ticket was inspected. I suspect often things are a bit more heavy handed.

On the relatively short train journeys I get it seems like all the extra money for a first class ticket gives you is a power socket, table lamb and a pair of curtains. And it confuses me a bit that anyone would bother.

glentoran99

GwylimT wrote: »

You don't purchase use of a seat on a train, even if you book a seat, you purchase a journey which includes the use of certain carriages on that journey.

So if you book a seat you don't book a seat?

50Twuncle

glentoran99 wrote: »

So if you book a seat you don't book a seat?

Apparently - you only book a space on a train - whether there is a seat in that space or not makes no difference ...??

50Twuncle

Shrimply wrote: »

I think the point is it's not unsafe to stand, or else the trains wouldn't be allowed to take more people than seats.

In the event of a collision - you try telling that to people being thrown through a train corridoor - that's the reason that I always pick forward facing seats !!

tomtontom

50Twuncle wrote: »

In the event of a collision - you try telling that to people being thrown through a train corridoor - that's the reason that I always pick forward facing seats !!

The likelihood of a collision is incredibly small, you're more likely to injure yourself on the platform than from a train accident.

I'm not aware of any research that states you're more likely to be seriously injured if standing rather than seating - it's going to be easier to escape if you're standing, you're more likely to be caught up in debris if you're seated. In the case of a fire, do you want to be in the aisle of fighting your way out of seats?

Your health and safety argument isn't particularly well thought through.

50Twuncle

tomtontom wrote: »

The likelihood of a collision is incredibly small, you're more likely to injure yourself on the platform than from a train accident.

I'm not aware of any research that states you're more likely to be seriously injured if standing rather than seating - it's going to be easier to escape if you're standing, you're more likely to be caught up in debris if you're seated. In the case of a fire, do you want to be in the aisle of fighting your way out of seats?

Your health and safety argument isn't particularly well thought through.

There are a surprisingly large number in UK alone
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rail_accidents_in_the_United_Kingdom
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/standing-room-only-youre-more-likely-to-be-hurt-in-train-crash-7217389.html
or maybe 5 point harnesses could be used to strap everyone into seats ?

wealdroam

50Twuncle wrote: »

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/standing-room-only-youre-more-likely-to-be-hurt-in-train-crash-7217389.html
or maybe 5 point harnesses could be used to strap everyone into seats ?

Referring to an Evening Standard article that is nearly ten years old?

Even so, did you read the article?
Apparently there is no official data - or there wasn't in 2007:

In the absence of official data about the dangers of standing, rail companies and TfL are going ahead with new carriages which will greatly reduce the number of seats and increase standing space.

GwylimT

glentoran99 wrote: »

So if you book a seat you don't book a seat?

A purchase requires a transaction, not something that happens to reserve a seat. I thought it was very clear that on UK trains you cannot pay for a seat.

GwylimT

50Twuncle wrote: »

In the event of a collision - you try telling that to people being thrown through a train corridoor - that's the reason that I always pick forward facing seats !!

During a collision you would be far safer in rear facing seats.