Stopping a supermarket from erecting scafolding on my land

lovelyhead

Mojisola wrote: »

Who has got planning permission if it's not under the supermarket's name?

It is a property developer based in Northern Ireland. They are probably working on behalf of one of the big supermarkets.

ManuelG

lovelyhead wrote: »

We don't actually know which supermarket it is. They have been very secretive. I would hope that they would send someone to speak with us before building commenced. It would be nice to avoid the agro and just come to a deal off the bat.

Life is rarely that easy though.

Doesn't it say on the plans who's applied for the permission?

Edit: You answered this while I was bashing away on the typewriter!

Well my advice, for what it's worth, is don't get lawyers involved until you've had that chat. Again, from experience of seeing others, it tends not to end well even for the 'winner' when it's person v person... let alone when it's person v business!

If you *must* involve lawyers, then leave it as late as possible. Butting heads *does* cause stress, and just now ought to be a fantastic time for you, and a newborn on its way. This isn't rolling over btw, as from your current mood I suspect you'll go the lawyer route in the end anyway but, give yourself as many options as you can for as long as you can... for your sake.

And also, whatever your personal views, if you do get to have that meeting don't start off with a 'this ain't happening' line, even if that's what you're thinking. Play the game a bit, show yourself open to compromise and see if a compromise can be found. You can always revert to that line later!

Dan-Dan

!!!!!! wrote: »

As the wall is in that state already then obviously the OP is happy with the current state of it. A large Tesco within 10 feet of your house with delivery lorries driving past regularly and spewing out fumes when they sit there waiting for a banksman to to manoeuvrer into the loading bay would have a greater effect on the house price

The OP wasnt looking to sell at the point though were they...


In any event , now it is being built they need as many plus points as they can get i would have thought

lovelyhead

ManuelG wrote: »

Doesn't it say on the plans who's applied for the permission?

Edit: You answered this while I was bashing away on the typewriter!

Well my advice, for what it's worth, is don't get lawyers involved until you've had that chat. Again, from experience of seeing others, it tends not to end well even for the 'winner' when it's person v person... let alone when it's person v business!

If you *must* involve lawyers, then leave it as late as possible. Butting heads *does* cause stress, and just now ought to be a fantastic time for you, and a newborn on its way. This isn't rolling over btw, as from your current mood I suspect you'll go the lawyer route in the end anyway but, give yourself as many options as you can for as long as you can... for your sake.

And also, whatever your personal views, if you do get to have that meeting don't start off with a 'this ain't happening' line, even if that's what you're thinking. Play the game a bit, show yourself open to compromise and see if a compromise can be found. You can always revert to that line later!

This is good advice.

Dan-Dan

lovelyhead wrote: »

This is good advice.

because it happens to tally with what you want to hear

ManuelG

Dan-Dan wrote: »

because it happens to tally with what you want to hear

To a degree

But at least they might have a chat without lawyers, and at least they might think differently after that. So baby steps (no pun intended) and all that.

Again, years of experience tells me sometimes people won't change their views completely, so no matter how many people tell them not to go the legal route if they're set on it... they will anyway. So in this instance it's as much (in my view) of trying to find the path of least cost to the OP, both financially and emotionally.

Who knows! If they have a chat they might find out the supermarket intends to go nowhere near their land... or they might find they offer them some cash. Now OK, neither of those are necessarily likely but... better they at least check for free then go all legal on their bottom!

lovelyhead

ManuelG wrote: »

To a degree

But at least they might have a chat without lawyers, and at least they might think differently after that. So baby steps (no pun intended) and all that.

Again, years of experience tells me sometimes people won't change their views completely, so no matter how many people tell them not to go the legal route if they're set on it... they will anyway. So in this instance it's as much (in my view) of trying to find the path of least cost to the OP, both financially and emotionally.

Who knows! If they have a chat they might find out the supermarket intends to go nowhere near their land... or they might find they offer them some cash. Now OK, neither of those are necessarily likely but... better they at least check for free then go all legal on their bottom!

Yes I think you are right. I think I will still seek legal advice to see if my position is correct but leave it at that until either work starts or someone comes to see me.

If someone comes to see me I can tell them that I know the supermarket is going to happen no matter what I do but it could happen a lot more smoothly if we can come to some sort of agreement over the use of my land.

phil24_7

!!!!!! wrote: »

As the wall is in that state already then obviously the OP is happy with the current state of it. A large Tesco within 10 feet of your house with delivery lorries driving past regularly and spewing out fumes when they sit there waiting for a banksman to to manoeuvrer into the loading bay would have a greater effect on the house price

You do know most supermarkets wont have banksman, nor will the lorries stay parked up with their engines running (drivers hours and fuel costs mean they try to be efficient with all their deliveries)? They also have restricted hours for deliveries where they are in a residential area as well as quite tight procedures for noise. They are also quick to act when (genuine) complaints for noise are made.

A lot of the time, supermarkets are better neighbours than most!

phil24_7

Just be careful. Solicitors have a vested interest in fighting your case...money.

They will largely be of your way of thinking as your are giving them the information (it will be one sided) and you are wanting to win. Most solicitors will happily take on work with only a small chance of a win as they will earn the same, win, loose or draw!

Davesnave

lovelyhead wrote: »

A lot of people here that seem happy to give up at the first hurdle.

A right bunch of pushovers on this website.

Another way to look at us is that we're realists. We'd save our energies for battles we can win. A good strategist knows they might not win every battle, but it's the war that matters.

In this case, the war seems to be the same one that many of us fight, which is to own a pleasant place we can call our own in the midst of a changing world. Unfortunately, sometimes that change happens on our doorstep and then we either learn to live with it or move on.

For some of us, change is slow and hard to blame on anyone, but it's no less real. Where I used to live was once quiet, but slowly, inexorably, things changed until it reached a point where I knew I'd be moving on. I couldn't pin it on any one or institution or person, so there was no way to fight it.

Your change is going to happen more quickly, but it's the same question: "Can I live with this? If not, what's the best way to move on from it?"

I'd argue that the answer is not to waste energy picking a fight which, even if you win, won't alter the overall course of the war.

And who knows, once the supermarket is up and running maybe it won't be as bad as you imagine. At present it's a just a 'known unknown;' no more than that.