Blue badge parking fine

vicki84

Hi

Looking for some advice regarding a parking fine I have received today please. I have mild cerebral palsy and have a blue badge. Parked in my usual disability space and left my badge on display with the time set.

When I got back to my car I noticed I had a fine stuck to the window screen and could see that my badge must of slid down the dashboard when I had closed the door so the bottom was slightly obscured. The badge and time was still visable so it was not like they could not see I had a badge and is a genuine mistake. Ironically I still had to pay for my parking as it is not free and if I was parked in another space would not have a ticket.

I have now got to pay £60 or I can write a letter of appeal if anyone as been in a similar situation or has any advice I would really appreciate any help.

Thank you.

AltheHibby

Hi Vicki,

The experts will be along to help. Please let us know which company or council this was. Thanks.

vicki84

Thanks for the quick reply the envelope has UKPC payments on if that helps this was in a shopping centre Carpark.

vicki84

I have just noticed it is £100 fine reduced to £60 if paid early

AltheHibby

It's not a fine, it's an invoice and our resident experts will help you beat them.

Hopefully there will be replies here when you get back.

Don't panic and don't pay. And listen to people like Coupon-mad. She's the best.

Coupon-mad

vicki84 wrote: »

I have just noticed it is £100 fine reduced to £60 if paid early

You won't be paying £60 or £100.

I suspect if you send them a scan or photo online with your appeal, showing your Blue Badge they might offer to settle for £15.

But do not say who was driving, just ID yourself as the 'registered keeper' on the dropdown menu on their appeal page and say BUT IN 3 WEEKS TIME, SECOND WEEK IN APRIL:


This charge is unfair and unconscionable, and is not saved from being a penalty nor supported by the ParkingEye v Beavis decision. The facts are that I was an occupant of the car and I am a genuine blue badge holder and I have no idea why your employee could not see this blue badge as it was displayed when the vehicle was parked. The driver also paid and displayed so there were no contraventions of any terms whatsoever and your employee has taken a photo at a misleading angle. I thought you had told the BPA you had sacked your dishonest employees who tried to get fines for no reason? Here is a copy of the blue badge. Please cancel the PCN or I will be compaining formally to the BPA about your misleading business practice here. You can see in your photos that there is a blue badge displayed and I will take this up with the DVLA as well if this is not cancelled immediately.



Do not say 'my badge' not ID the driver or change any of the above. Do this online, not as a letter and make sure the drop-down menu does not revert back to 'driver' as a default when you add your attachment blue badge scan (UKPC's cheat of an appeal page does this if you so much as refresh the page or change any detail), so check it says 'registered keeper' before you click 'submit' and take a screenshot first.

If they offer to settle for £15 (which I have seen them do in similar cases) that's up to you. We would not! We know that you are likely to then go on to win at POPLA with a stronger appeal we'll help you with, including the fact that as keeper, you can't be held liable by UKPC...but that's for later...we'll help.

We want you to pay nothing so if you trust us to assist with a POPLA appeal later, come back when rejected by these utter scumbags - this is them and this article explains why I wrote your appeal the way I did:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/parking-company-workers-doctored-photos-6420974

Delay the appeal till day 25/26 (THREE WEEKS TIME, ONLINE) as advised and make sure not to say who was driving.

While you are waiting you could go back to the shop and ask the Store Manager (not the first person you see, must be the Manager) to cancel it for you as it's unfair and upsetting you and the BB was displayed. Do not admit to it 'slipping a bit'.

Fruitcake

It is not a fine.


Please read the Sticky thread for NEWBIES then appeal as KEEPER using the BPA template in blue contained therein.


UKPC are scammers who have been caught doctoring time stamps on photo' "evidence." This is a clear breach of the Equality Act 2010, but neither UKPC, the BPA, or PoPLA care about this. Consequently you need to follow the tried and tested advice to make a two stage appeal and beat these scammers at PoPLA.


In addition you should make a very robust complaint to the landowner about this breach of the EA 2010.

The_Deep

I disagree on two counts. Whether OP was driving or not is, in my opinion, immaterial. She is disabled, displayed a BB and was parked correctly, yet, she is harassed by a PPC, despite the Law.

She should seek to obtain maximum publicity, putting the facts to local papers and media, but first she should write to all retail tenants at the car park.

Local papers love these big bad PPC stories, and this can cause considerable damage to the PPC, it is they who should be paying her..

OP, please read this

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3229165/Is-PROOF-private-parking-firms-scamming-motorists-Drivers-say-timings-photos-doctored-legally-parked-cars-issued-fines.html

copy it and enclose a copy with your letter to the managers of all the retail outlets on the site.

I am appalled that you even suggest that she should offer £15.00.

Coupon-mad

I know we come from the same viewpoint TD, about the private parking fake PCN scam (except about de Savary!). If you notice I already showed her an ariticle about the doctoring of photos by UKPC so she could see why I worded the suggested appeal the way I did.

It's a fact that UKPC might offer to settle for £15 and lots of people think that's worth it to avoid hassle. I don't believe it is for a second but we've seen people come back and post 'all sorted, they offereed to cancel if I paid £15 for the admin so I did'.

My post was deliberately to tell this OP that might happen, so she knows in advance. We can't make people do what we think is right. It's always their money, their choice. I did then qualify it 'We would not!' and explained why we are confident of a POPLA win as long as the driver isn't given away. If she follows our advice I'm confident (despite new POPLA making some mad decisions) that we can help her pay nothing.

Also that's why I wrote a specific appeal for her, to focus UKPC's minds on cancelling it outright. I could have just said 'send the template appeal from the NEWBIES thread' but in this case, I take the view that a stronger appeal was needed, followed by complaints to the BPA and DVLA.

It would not surprise me if she tries to appeal and finds the PCN not recognised on UKPC's system. It sounds like one even they might not upload, if the photos show a Blue Badge and clock.

Final thought - it's possible she could pay £15 (if she want to, although we don't!) and still appeal to POPLA - because of the way new POPLA works - although I honestly think it's not the way forward. POPLA should be all or nothing.

Half_way

Simple solution is that the OP gets in touch with the shoppping centre, reminds them in a friendly, polite but firm manner that the shopping centre is responsible for the actions of their agents, and you would like them to cancel the charge, as this has an equality act issue/angle to it ( shopping centre could be liable for a breach of the act if its agents dont cancel)
Shopping centre cancels charge, then end.

that's how it should go in theory

Coupon-mad

Half_way wrote: »

Simple solution is that the OP gets in touch with the shoppping centre, reminds them in a friendly, polite but firm manner that the shopping centre is responsible for the actions of their agents, and you would like them to cancel the charge, as this has an equality act issue/angle to it ( shopping centre could be liable for a breach of the act if its agents dont cancel)
Shopping centre cancels charge, then end.

that's how it should go in theory

Agreed. That is what she needs to do in the 3 weeks while waiting to get to day 26 to appeal. She should be able to get it cancelled easily.