The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

The Scots people don't want another indyref. - not yet at least.
What's more, they don't want to leave the UK.

A majority of voters still oppose Scottish independence, a poll by Survation showed on Wednesday, with most respondents also saying that a new referendum should not be held before the United Kingdom leaves the European Union.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-scotland-survation-idUKKBN16M2DO?il=0


Does anyone seriously believe that Scots will want membership of the EU when so many Dutch and French show they do not want the EU?
Which looks increasingly likely.

posh*spice

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

The Scots people don't want another indyref. - not yet at least.
What's more, they don't want to leave the UK.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-scotland-survation-idUKKBN16M2DO?il=0


Does anyone seriously believe that Scots will want membership of the EU when so many Dutch and French show they do not want the EU?
Which looks increasingly likely.

So I'm starting to think Westminster should stand up to Holyrood and vote down any proposed referendum and not even set a date for another. I'm sure May could get that through the HoC - she seems to have a Brexit majority of about 50. I'm assuming Corbyn would whip the Labour party to have a referendum.... since he's so useless. Though, I'm guessing some Labour MPs might vote no too - Gisela Stuart for starters.

This would also slap down sin fein...

I really believe Westminster should say no - we've had enough referendums.

ash28

Part of the problem facing Scotland now is that a lot of countries who are sympathetic to Scotland's position probably won't do anything that isn't in their own best interests - namely their concerns will be with the UK/rUK not Scotland. The UK/rUK is far more valuable to them than Scotland ever could be.

I heard Spain will be looking for a bilateral deal, Spanish business in the UK is substantial, Santander and Telefonica and Iberdrola have a lot of business here and those three alone account for 30% of the Ibex35. That's without the exports to the UK. Spain won't be alone.

In my opinion Ms Sturgeon probably couldn't have chosen a worse time for an independence referendum, not only does it seem to have been made clear that Scotland will have to apply through the normal channels ('we're already members' seems to have fallen on deaf ears). Countries will be interested in keeping the UK/rUK happy, not because they like us but because of our value to their economies. They are probably really p****d off with us over Brexit and while the EU might try and play hard ball during negotiations individual member states will want deals. Without Scotland rUK is still an economy to be reckoned with while without the rUK Scotland isn't.

elantan

Take a look at @AngrySalmond's Tweet: https://twitter.com/AngrySalmond/status/842074254816497666?s=09


Brexit looks fun

elantan

I think this must be the latest attempt at love bombing ... I feel the love does every body else ?Take a look at @AngrySalmond's Tweet: https://twitter.com/AngrySalmond/status/842023902834524160?s=09


Should add contains swearing

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

I don't think it's a waste of time to show the inconsistency in your arguments. It speaks to the veracity of future arguments you make on here that cannot be substantiated, such as...

You state it's always going to be within the 2 year time frame, yet it hasn't been asked for and it hasn't been granted. Again I'll point out that the 2 year time frame is not set in stone either, it may be that we have to adopt transitional arrangements prior to working out the full details or that the 2 years is extended by unanimous vote. There is no guarantee that the details of a deal will be known by autumn 2018/spring 2019 which would be the very latest details would need to be known, right up to the day before this referendum you say is definitely happening.

Sturgeon is following May's OWN timetable which is all anyone has at the moment. Things might change but that's how the timetable looks at the present time.

Shakethedisease

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

The Scots people don't want another indyref. - not yet at least.
What's more, they don't want to leave the UK.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-scotland-survation-idUKKBN16M2DO?il=0


Does anyone seriously believe that Scots will want membership of the EU when so many Dutch and French show they do not want the EU?
Which looks increasingly likely.

I said this a page or so back and you've just exampled it perfectly.

A lot of pollsters have been framing the question as 'do you think there should be another indy ref before or after Brexit is complete' then newspapers and folks like Davidson are talking the obvious higher % for "after Brexit" as evidence Scots don't want it at ALL.

There is no referendum planned for now, it's 18 months at least off and you have no idea whatsoever how people will feel about staying in the UK then I'm afraid since you're not as far as I know a fortune teller.

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Yes it is quite simple, a vote held on constitutional matters by the Scottish government would easily be challenged in court if it was even allowed to take place. I wonder if the electoral commission or another body could step in (maybe even the courts) to stop such a vote taking place as it would be easy to claim it's a violation of the constitutional arrangement even if it's non-binding on Westminster. I would imagine there's plenty of people in Scotland and the rest of the UK that would finance such a legal challenge fronting an individual like Gina Miller, it doesn't have to come from Westminster for the courts to get involved.

The act of the Scottish Govt holding 'a' referendum isn't illegal though. There's no law in the land against the Scots Govt holding one to gauge the opinion of the Scottish electorate. The result is a different matter.

What are you scared of anyway ?

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Some REAL news, from parliament:

Meanwhile, the House of Commons will now consider holding a debate on whether a second Scottish referendum should take place after a petition was posted on the UK government's official website.
By 15:00 on Wednesday, there were almost 120,000 signatories to the petition titled: "Another Scottish independence referendum should not be allowed to happen".
All petitions backed by more than 100,000 signatures are considered for a parliamentary debate.

Over 120,000 in what, two days?


And this in the same article where Theresa May says in response to Angus Robertson:

"You are comparing membership of an organisation that we have been a member of for 40 years, with our country. We have been one country for over 300 years."We have fought together, we have worked together, we have achieved together, and constitutional game-playing must not be allowed to break the deep bonds of our shared history and our future together."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-39282094

posh*spice

Shakethedisease wrote: »

The act of the Scottish Govt holding 'a' referendum isn't illegal though. There's no law in the land against the Scots Govt holding one to gauge the opinion of the Scottish electorate. The result is a different matter.

What are you scared of anyway ?

The mere act of Scotland holding an unconstitutional referendum will set alarm bells ringing all over Europe. They won't parlay with you at all if you go down that track.

You need the permission of Westminster.