The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

You would have far less representation in the European parliament than you do now. Far less than you currently enjoy as a proportion of the UK population, how did you arrive at double?

Scotland has 6 MEPs currently. Malta has 5. Denmark has 13. Work it out for yourself.

I was referring to 'the will of the people' in Scotland regarding independence, the SNP have conflated independence with EU membership which will go against the wishes of some SNP support, and go with the wishes of those who want to remain in the EU and will sacrifice the UK in order to do that. The door swings both ways.

They have to go along with the wishes of the majority of Scotlands voters. Not Englands voters, Welsh voters or NI voters. Scotlands voters because that's who they represent, they do not stand candidates anywhere else in the UK. 62% indicated they wish to stay in the EU, just 38% don't. The 'will of the people' is to stay in the EU. And to stay in the UK. One of them is going to have to go.

Shakethedisease

mollycat wrote: »

^^^^ The epitome of arrogance.

Default position of the SNP up here in Scotland; arrogance, aggression and dismissal of those who call out their propaganda.

Even posters who don't live up here have got your measure!

***scrolls past faster*** ;);)

Shakethedisease

.string. wrote: »

What is the SNP definition of the elements of a soft Brexit

We'll find out in the next few weeks as Sturgeon announced at conference. I imagine staying in the single market and something regarding EU citizens rights will be in there.

ruggedtoast

Sturgeon is now defining the Brexit negotiations. The Tories have never looked so divided and weak.

Now is her chance to pluck the sweet ripe fruit of independence from Westminster's skanky tree.

Scots must not lose their nerve now!

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Well not really, we need each other.

If you believe the UK will suffer enormously the ramifications for Scotland will be untold.

One of the reasons for a currency union last time was to keep the UK's balance of payments, and debt to GDP ratios down for everyone. I guess you've shot yourselves in the foot if there's a second referendum. I doubt there will be a second currency union offer only to score headlines off of again.

George Osborne’s threats of currency exclusion looked daft last time – why would England want to impede trade with Scotland by imposing arbitrary transaction costs? But after indyref 2, the UK will likely be much more favourably disposed to currency union with an independent Scotland, if only to keep Scotland’s hydrocarbon and renewable revenues in the UK balance of payments.

https://iainmacwhirter.wordpress.com/2016/10/19/100-days-of-brexit-lessons-for-scottish-independence/ <--- he normally writes for the Herald.

And why is the Euro off the table? The EU could well insist on it, you're not in a position to say no if the single market is so important to Scotland.

Scotland doesn't meet the criteria. And even then can stall indefinitely like other EU countries who don't use the Euro, ERM II participation.

What are the convergence criteria?

The convergence criteria are formally defined as a set of macroeconomic indicators which measure:

• Price stability, to show inflation is controlled;
• Soundness and sustainability of public finances, through limits on government borrowing and national debt to avoid excessive deficit;
• Exchange-rate stability, through participation in the Exchange Rate Mechanism (ERM II) for at least two years without strong deviations from the ERM II central rate;
• Long-term interest rates, to assess the durability of the convergence achieved by fulfilling the other criteria.

Shakethedisease

.string. wrote: »

I was not certain of the voting rights in the EU so simply declared it earlier to be according to population. Well it is, but with an additional entitlement for small countries. So congratulations, Shakey, it seems your voting rights are up from 1.2% to probably 2,%.

For information on that see

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_in_the_Council_of_the_European_Union

As for veto --- well in theory but not really in practice for smaller countries.

string, you really need to catch up with the news. A small region of Belgium is currently stalling the whole Canada - EU trade deal.

Belgian region Wallonia rejects deadline to sign EU-Canada trade deal

Belgium can't approve the deal unless all its regions are on board. Without unanimity among EU nations, the deal will collapse.


BRUSSELS—The head of Belgium’s small Wallonia region is rejecting a Friday deadline to sign up to a huge trade deal between Canada and the European Union, demanding a full renegotiation that could bring the whole transatlantic agreement. down.

https://www.thestar.com/business/2016/10/19/belgian-region-wallonia-rejects-deadline-to-sign-eu-canada-trade-deal.html

.string.

Shakethedisease wrote: »

string, you really need to catch up with the news. A small region of Belgium is currently stalling the whole Canada - EU trade deal.

https://www.thestar.com/business/2016/10/19/belgian-region-wallonia-rejects-deadline-to-sign-eu-canada-trade-deal.html

No veto yet then ---- I wonder who will buy them off and with what.

Thrugelmir

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Sturgeon is now defining the Brexit negotiations. The Tories have never looked so divided and weak.

Now is her chance to pluck the sweet ripe fruit of independence from Westminster's skanky tree.

Scots must not lose their nerve now!

Have the Scots consulted the EU yet to see if they are agreeable. Words count for nothing. :snow_laug

TrickyTree83

.string. wrote: »

I was not certain of the voting rights in the EU so simply declared it earlier to be according to population. Well it is, but with an additional entitlement for small countries. So congratulations, Shakey, it seems your voting rights are up from 1.2% to probably 2,%.

For information on that see

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_in_the_Council_of_the_European_Union

As for veto --- well in theory but not really in practice for smaller countries.

And lets not forget they're on about removing the veto and moving to qualified majority... eek, squeaky bum time with 2% of the vote.

TrickyTree83

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Scotland has 6 MEPs currently. Malta has 5. Denmark has 13. Work it out for yourself.

They have to go along with the wishes of the majority of Scotlands voters. Not Englands voters, Welsh voters or NI voters. Scotlands voters because that's who they represent, they do not stand candidates anywhere else in the UK. 62% indicated they wish to stay in the EU, just 38% don't. The 'will of the people' is to stay in the EU. And to stay in the UK. One of them is going to have to go.

Ah, so when the UK as a whole argues against something that's bad for the entire UK only the 6 Scottish MEP's count for Scottish views.

Gotcha.

And while we're at it lets ignore the SNP EU leave vote exists, oh and lets ignore the communities across Scotland that would like to have fishing rights back under Holyrood control. They wouldn't be added to an indy No.

Oh and your representation at Westminster is around 9%. Good luck beating that in the EU parliament.