The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

The_Last_Username

sss555s wrote: »

This post looks like an UK Unionist view of Scottish independence by someone who has probably never lived in Scotland.
A pro-independence advocate would say that though, wouldn't they?
Especially in THIS thread.
So will Scotland have more or less say than they have just now?
Eh?
Really?
We wonder now if you read the post.
We all know that isn't the first preference and there are other options. You seem to only highlight what you see to be the worst option.
Er, nope.
According to pro-indy posters posters on here that is what is wanted.
You really can't have it all ways you know.
No change there then... We will have a new agreement with the UK though.
By EU rules though.
And Scottish law will over-rule Westminster law.
Irrelevent since Scotland would no longer be part of the UK.
Facile comment TBH since in that case Scotland would have zero influence upon UK laws, be they Westminster or elsewhere in the rUK.
How many MAPs does Scotland have representing just now?
MAP's? Which is????
MEP's - 6.
MP's in Westminster: 56.
56 from 650.
Sounds better than 6 from 700 to me, too.
Cheers mate :beer:
No problem.


The Brexit vote results tell you all you need to know about how Scots feel about the UK leaving the EU.
Yup, a turnout lower than the UK average shows just that.
Meaning more in Scotland did not care about the EU than in the UK as a whole. Over 1.3 million chose not to vote - almost equal to the ENTIRE leave vote in Scotland.

Balanced out that post for you.;)

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

It would be bad for both Scotland and the rUK for Scotland to secede. Really cannot see the rhyme or reason for it, specifically because this time it comes with the added caveat of having to remain in/join the EU.

The EU is now a massive spanner in the works meaning it makes more sense to devolve more powers and remain in fiscal and over-arching political union rather than split completely.

As you say it's a political union which oversees and decides UK wide and major Scottish economic policies. Recently the politics aren't so agreeable any more and have been accelerated much further apart by the Brexit vote. In a political union, that's always going to be a massive problem.

Shakethedisease

I mean if even respected newspapers like the Times come out with massive levels of stupid like this, it's no wonder people turn elsewhere for information when they know they're being blatantly led up the garden path ( lied to ). And even worse when it's knowingly shoving false information at people who are unaware of the completely evidence free tosh they're being fed daily regarding Scotland... as fact. They even use the word 'FACTS' in the headline !

Sturgeon cannot run up or "deal with" a deficit. Fixed grant..etc etc. The only way she can deal with it is after independence ( another subscription about to be crossed off the list along with the Herald. Kenny Farquarson's mental gymnastics as he refuses to "face facts", choice between EU/UK, is getting extremely tedious ).

sss555s

The_Last_Username wrote: »

Balanced out that post for you.;)

What was that drivel?

Leave it for string to reply, he will have a better response.

.string.

sss555s wrote: »

This post looks like an UK Unionist view of Scottish independence by someone who has probably never lived in Scotland.




So will Scotland have more or less say than they have just now?



We all know that isn't the first preference and there are other options. You seem to only highlight what you see to be the worst option.



No change there then... We will have a new agreement with the UK though.



And Scottish law will over-rule Westminster law.




How many MAPs does Scotland have representing just now?

Cheers mate :beer:



The Brexit vote results tell you all you need to know about how Scots feel about the UK leaving the EU.

That post looks like it's written by someone living on another planet!

The Last Username said it all really; you didn't take in what I wrote; I'll spell it out for you.

If Scotland joins the EU it will be consigned to a much lower level of control over its own affairs than even your fevered imagination thinks you are in now."Wicked Westminster" will be replaced by "Bossy Brussels" as the target of the favoured sport of whingeing. Try listening to SNP spin with a clear head next time.

Scotland will go from 10% influence to 1% influence.

See the following to gauge where Scotland will sit: i.e. way down the packing order.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_Union_member_states_by_population

Enjoy.


But there is hope for Scotland, Unionist are in the majority and they are not daft.

sss555s

Shakethedisease wrote: »

UK public sector debt around £300 Billion in 2000, up to over £1300 billion by 2014. Over 4 times as much. It is also possible to see where the loans that caused the debt were spent (by looking at the deficit or surplus for each area, for which numbers are available at least back to the 80s'), and it is entirely true that in the 80s and 90s they were mainly spent in England, but paid for by everyone.

It is also true that the National Infrastructure Plan massively benefits England. For example, in the NIP spending announced at the end of 2014 Scotland put in £12 Billion, and was allocated only £1 Billion worth of projects in return. This was the Peterhead Carbon Capture plant that was cancelled. In other words Scotland spent £12 Billion and got nothing from it.

( username ) is also correct in pointing out that many infrastructure projects in and around London (crossrail 1&2, M25, London Sewer upgrades, HS2, CHannel Tunnel etc) were all counted as UK expenditure under the NIP (no Barnett consequentials, and the whole of the UK pays), but any similar works in Scotland are entirely paid for from the Scottish budget. New Forth Bridge for example.

And it will only get worse if we remain.

sss555s

.string. wrote: »

If Scotland joins the EU it will be consigned to a much lower level of control over its own affairs than even your fevered imagination thinks you are in now."Wicked Westminster" will be replaced by "Bossy Brussels" as the target of the favoured sport of whingeing. Try listening to SNP spin with a clear head next time.

But Scotland in in the EU as part of the UK just now. We live under EU rules just now.

The part that will change is rules Westminster make for the UK which often can be to the detriment of Scotland, will be made in Scotland for Scotland.

.string.

sss555s wrote: »

But Scotland in in the EU as part of the UK just now. We live under EU rules just now.

The part that will change is rules Westminster make for the UK which often can be to the detriment of Scotland, will be made in Scotland for Scotland.

That is very naive.

I did not want to leave the EU as it was/ is with us in it, with our opt outs and ability to be an agent for change, but I would not want to join it under the comditions in which a separated Scotland would find itself.

Therein lies obscurity for Scotland, a minor nation swallowed by a huge autocracy nearly 100 times its size.

kabayiri

sss555s wrote: »

And it will only get worse if we remain.

I'd say there is a chance you could be right.

There is little doubt that the Tories are trying to manage the right of centre/UKIP presence as well as the middle ground.

The EU ref was an attempt to quell the UKIP momentum.

I reckon as things continue to get tight there will be a backlash against the SNP in particular.

Why should any unionist government throw capital spend at Scotland when there is a chance they will want to leave the Union?

They might as well funnel investment into those parts of the UK committed to the Union.

TrickyTree83

sss555s wrote: »

And it will only get worse if we remain.

Oh dear, I do love posts like this.

Tell us how exactly.

Should be simple, you seem so sure.