The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

A_Pict_In_A_Past_Life

sss555s wrote: »

That is as direct an answer as I can give to that unknown.

So why didn't you take Ali's advice?

We all noticed the "experts" getting excited when the votes were coming in the other day, but as usual they shoot their bolt prematurely and didn't notice that SNP increased their vote count and massively increased their lead.

Silence was golden that night!

Re: Above in red
Oh aye, on what planet?
It's very clear who needs Specsavers now.

2017 local elections, SNP vote share 32.3%
610454 1st pref. votes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_local_elections,_2017

2016 elections, SNP vote share 46.5%
1,059,897 votes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Parliament_election,_2016

2015 election, SNP vote share 50%
1,454,436 votes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_general_election,_2015_(Scotland)

2012 local elections, SNP vote share 32.33%
503,233 1st pef votes (but note: as %of votes was approximately the same as 2017 result.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_local_elections,_2012

2011 parliamentary elections, SNP vote share 45.4%
902,915 votes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Parliament_election,_2011

Shakethedisease

kabayiri wrote: »

That's how it works. It's just numbers and the same 'size is might' rules apply in the EU.

This is why Germany has such influence and Romania much less.

You have some choices then.

- You can grow your population significantly through immigration, but recent figures suggest you are failing miserably on that front. You certainly have the land.

- You can change the SNP into a UK-wide party. Some people down here think the SNP sound attractive. You would be using the existing rules to further your own cause.

If you think Scotland alone is going to dictate UK policy on Brexit, or that Gibraltar is going to set foreign policy for the whole of the UK, you are barking up the wrong tree.

Don't be daft, all of the reasons above are reasons for independence. We don't want to dictate your policy on Brexit. Your vote should be respected as 'part' of the UK ( copyright Tricky) . But a fair swathe of people don't want you dictating ours either as 'part' of the UK. Better Scotland dictates its own policies on the EU, immigration etc than be dragged unwillingly wherever England and Wales wish to go simply because the population is bigger.

Size is might may well be how you view things. But it doesn't always translate at the ballot box. If Scotland is irrelevant as part of the UK/a union, then it's no longer a union and Scotland should go..

Shakethedisease

A_Pict_In_A_Past_Life wrote: »

Re: Above in red
Oh aye, on what planet?
It's very clear who needs Specsavers now.

2017 local elections, SNP vote share 32.3%
610454 1st pref. votes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_local_elections,_2017

2016 elections, SNP vote share 46.5%
1,059,897 votes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Parliament_election,_2016

2015 election, SNP vote share 50%
1,454,436 votes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_general_election,_2015_(Scotland)

2012 local elections, SNP vote share 32.33%
503,233 1st pef votes (but note: as %of votes was approximately the same as 2017 result.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_local_elections,_2012

2011 parliamentary elections, SNP vote share 45.4%
902,915 votes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Parliament_election,_2011

They're polling between 40 and 48% depending on the polls recently. And increased their vote share and votes by 100,000 in the recent council elections. They're going to wipe the floor with both the Tories and Labour in Scotland on 8th June.

kabayiri

Shakethedisease wrote: »

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If Scotland is irrelevant as part of the UK/a union, then it's no longer a union and Scotland should go..

Clearly voters believed Scotland was relevant when they voted for the Union last time.

The Scottish voters are just as relevant as the voters of Yorkshire; of Cornwall; of Wales; of London; of East of England; of the Midlands.

You're daft if you think you are more important though.

TrickyTree83

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

This is where we differ.
I do think it is relevant.



All hypothetical BS in my opinion
I'm sure both you and I could point to regression currently for Scotland within the UK.
What I believe is that we will be better placed to take a different approach and benefit Scotland.

Our policy requirements are vastly different from those in Westminster and as such, we need to be able to take a different approach

I don't see how it's relevant.

You should expand on why it is.

It sure is hypothetical, it's something you agree with though as you pointed out that there will be short term and medium term pain, which is what that translates to. Your living standards will be playing catch up with the rest of the UK unless there is an economic miracle and we both know it's naive to pin hopes on an economic miracle, right?

Edit: You and Nicola would be better off hoping/working for a good deal with the EU.

cogito

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I said I didn't know twice. What else do you want me to say ? It's like talking to a brick wall.

Fishing is devolved. Leadsom should be talking to the Scottish Govt anyway, not getting ars*y about leaked letters that should've gone to Holyrood keeping them informed every step of the way on their own devolved areas.

The question you answered was not the one I asked as you well know. I was not trying to debate the Scottishfishing industry with you but whether or not Sturgeon lied over the contents of Leadsom's letter, a question which you have scrupulously avoided answering.

If you cannot grasp this, then it's pointless trying to discuss anything with you. It's becoming clear to me why the Scottish education system is in such a mess when some of the older generation have trouble understanding a simple question.

I'm done with you, you'll be relieved to know.

TrickyTree83

Shakethedisease wrote: »

They're polling between 40 and 48% depending on the polls recently. And increased their vote share and votes by 100,000 in the recent council elections. They're going to wipe the floor with both the Tories and Labour in Scotland on 8th June.

Wipe the floor in terms of being the largest party, perhaps, that's only because the unionist vote would be split between 3 major parties and independents. Cumulative vote share it's likely to see the SNP and Greens on the wrong side of 50% for independence.

Shakethedisease

kabayiri wrote: »

Clearly voters believed Scotland was relevant when they voted for the Union last time.

The Scottish voters are just as relevant as the voters of Yorkshire; of Cornwall; of Wales; of London; of East of England; of the Midlands.

You're daft if you think you are more important though.

I don't think we're more important no. But we are in a union. The UK is a union between two countries, a principality and a province. And while I know this is an inconvenient fact for you, Scotland never having been a region like Yorkshire or the East of England.. but an entirely separate country in the past.. that's what you are dealing with. Lots and lots of people tired of being treated like an irrelevant region when Scotland isn't, and having to put up with electoral result after electoral result that they don't vote for nor want for their country ( not region ).

No one wants to stop you doing what you want to do as the largest 'part' if the UK. But you shouldn't really be treating other parts of it as irrelevancies if you want it to stay as a union.

As a bit of an aside. Davidson is losing the plot.. :rotfl:

HeraldScotland‏ @heraldscotland
Davidson accuses SNP of Orwellian nationalism......RUTH Davidson has accused the SNP of Orwellian nationalism, describing it as obsessed,

https://twitter.com/heraldscotland/status/864408833094856704

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Shakethedisease wrote: »

They're polling between 40 and 48% depending on the polls recently. And increased their vote share and votes by 100,000 in the recent council elections. They're going to wipe the floor with both the Tories and Labour in Scotland on 8th June.

Votes count.
Not polls.
And arithmetic can't be a strong point for you either.

Show me where the vote share increased by 100k?
Because that is not what the results given show; how does 32.3% vote share this time equate to increased vote share from 2012 at 32.33%?
Votes increased as the numbers voting increased - but the share did not increase, did it?
It decreased.
Albeit by a small amount but a decrease nonetheless.
That is simple arithmetic.

Shakethedisease

cogito wrote: »

The question you answered was not the one I asked as you well know. I was not trying to debate the Scottishfishing industry with you but whether or not Sturgeon lied over the contents of Leadsom's letter, a question which you have scrupulously avoided answering.

If you cannot grasp this, then it's pointless trying to discuss anything with you. It's becoming clear to me why the Scottish education system is in such a mess when some of the older generation have trouble understanding a simple question.

I'm done with you, you'll be relieved to know.

I said I didn't know and I'm glad you're done with me. What do you mean by older generation though ? I'm 46 ( I had my first kids young so am a very young grandma *preens* ).