New Fence should we help pay?

Petra_70

Why is this in 'marriage and relationships?' :huh:

Gloomendoom

Petra_70 wrote: »

Why is this in 'marriage and relationships?' :huh:

Because the OP disagrees with her husband over whether or not they should contribute towards the taller fence that the neighbour wants to erect.

My advice would be to black bag all of the husband's clothes, chuck them in the front garden, then start divorce proceedings soon as possible using a unreasonable behaviour (disagreeing with a female) as grounds.

Is that better?

pigpen

Guest101 wrote: »

Fences are not denoted on boundaries.


Whoever puts up the fence, owns it.

they are designated a 'responsibility' based on where the fence posts are and they are noted on the deeds of the house.. usually the fence to the left is your responsibility.. boundary back fences vary. They were definitely mentioned on ours.. unless it is something that has changed over the years..

When we moved here we removed 'next doors' fence (the panels were rotten and in pieces) and erected a 6ft fence .. it wasnt our responsibility but it keeps my children safe.. next door is a rented property and was empty at the time.

Mojisola

pigpen wrote: »

usually the fence to the left is your responsibility

This is a myth.

It could be the right fence, the left fence, the back fence or any combination.

Gloomendoom

pigpen wrote: »

they are designated a 'responsibility' based on where the fence posts are and they are noted on the deeds of the house.. usually the fence to the left is your responsibility.. boundary back fences vary. They were definitely mentioned on ours.. unless it is something that has changed over the years..

You might like to read the info on the link below that largely debunks the myths of left side ownership and which side the fence posts are on, among others.

http://www.boundary-problems.co.uk/boundary-problems/fences.html

Guest101

pigpen wrote: »

they are designated a 'responsibility' based on where the fence posts are and they are noted on the deeds of the house.. usually the fence to the left is your responsibility.. boundary back fences vary. They were definitely mentioned on ours.. unless it is something that has changed over the years..

When we moved here we removed 'next doors' fence (the panels were rotten and in pieces) and erected a 6ft fence .. it wasnt our responsibility but it keeps my children safe.. next door is a rented property and was empty at the time.

Sorry, but that's absolute rubbish.


The fence is owned by the person who bought it and put it up.

pigpen

Mojisola wrote: »

This is a myth.

It could be the right fence, the left fence, the back fence or any combination.

this is why I said USUALLY!

Guest101 wrote: »

Sorry, but that's absolute rubbish.


The fence is owned by the person who bought it and put it up.

the fence may be.. but the boundary lines are on the deeds.. otherwise I could simply steal next doors garden.. they don't use it!
the fence POSTS are placed on their side of the boundary therefore it is their responsibility to put up/maintain the fence.. what would I fix a fence to on my side? there is nothing there! Literally.. nothing..

Maybe something has changed but when I bought my house 11 years ago the boundary was clearly marked and I was told none of the boundary walls/fences were my responsibility.. 1 is the gable end of a factory unit, 1 is the rear wall of a nursery so the councils responsibility and the other side the responsibility of the neighbours. My boundary has been changed since the house was built which had a bearing on the neighbour side though.. so isnt entirely 'run of the mill'


indeed gloom.. very helpful..



The conveyance deed (or the transfer deed) may express in words the boundaries for which the owner of the property is responsible. If it does not then the conveyance (or the transfer) plan may employ the convention of applying a T-mark to those boundaries for which responsibility rests with the owner of the property (as in the diagram at right). If responsibility for the boundary is shared (for example, in the case of a "party fence wall") then an H-mark (effectively two T-marks mirrored on the boundary line) is the conventional symbol that is used.
If the deeds are silent on the question of responsibility for the boundary then you may have to work on the basis of the information given in the Seller's Property Information Form by the vendor at the time you bought your property.
It is sometimes possible to infer who is responsible for a fence by establishing the pattern of fence ownership along the same side of the street.


Responsibility for the boundaries being put on the deeds!! Just like I said.. and this bit ...

"It is normal practice when using a fence to mark a boundary to place the outer face of the fence along the boundary, so that the posts stand on the land of the of the fence's owner."


As I said.. if the posts are on one side of the boundary the responsibility for that fence lies with the owner of that property.. unless there were 2 fences or some other reason.

We actually put the fence posts on next doors side of the boundary and the nice side of the fence on ours.. so technically my fence encroaches on next doors property so could be in trouble if the owners even noticed or cared.

Guest101

pigpen wrote: »

this is why I said USUALLY!




the fence may be.. but the boundary lines are on the deeds.. otherwise I could simply steal next doors garden.. they don't use it!
the fence POSTS are placed on their side of the boundary therefore it is their responsibility to put up/maintain the fence.. what would I fix a fence to on my side? there is nothing there! Literally.. nothing..

Maybe something has changed but when I bought my house 11 years ago the boundary was clearly marked and I was told none of the boundary walls/fences were my responsibility.. 1 is the gable end of a factory unit, 1 is the rear wall of a nursery so the councils responsibility and the other side the responsibility of the neighbours. My boundary has been changed since the house was built which had a bearing on the neighbour side though.. so isnt entirely 'run of the mill'


indeed gloom.. very helpful..



The conveyance deed (or the transfer deed) may express in words the boundaries for which the owner of the property is responsible. If it does not then the conveyance (or the transfer) plan may employ the convention of applying a T-mark to those boundaries for which responsibility rests with the owner of the property (as in the diagram at right). If responsibility for the boundary is shared (for example, in the case of a "party fence wall") then an H-mark (effectively two T-marks mirrored on the boundary line) is the conventional symbol that is used.
If the deeds are silent on the question of responsibility for the boundary then you may have to work on the basis of the information given in the Seller's Property Information Form by the vendor at the time you bought your property.
It is sometimes possible to infer who is responsible for a fence by establishing the pattern of fence ownership along the same side of the street.


Responsibility for the boundaries being put on the deeds!! Just like I said.. and this bit ...

"It is normal practice when using a fence to mark a boundary to place the outer face of the fence along the boundary, so that the posts stand on the land of the of the fence's owner."


As I said.. if the posts are on one side of the boundary the responsibility for that fence lies with the owner of that property.. unless there were 2 fences or some other reason.

We actually put the fence posts on next doors side of the boundary and the nice side of the fence on ours.. so technically my fence encroaches on next doors property so could be in trouble if the owners even noticed or cared.

There is no requirement to have or maintain a fence at all. None. Zero.


The boundaries are just that, a legal line on the land. Usually defined very closely by a fence.


there is no 'responsibility'

DCFC79

I agree with everyone else, the fence is yours and it suits you perfectly and the neighbour wants to change it, at least hes wanting to change it.

Mojisola

pigpen wrote: »

this is why I said USUALLY!

But it isn't even USUALLY.

There is no 'normal' or 'usual' way of deciding which properties are responsible for which boundaries. It depends on the individual circumstances when the houses are built.